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>There is nothing to suggest the man acted improperly at work. That's where you are wrong. He wrote some things he genuinely believed in, and its reasonable to
by ir123 5y ago
>There is nothing to suggest the man acted improperly at work.
That's where you are wrong. He wrote some things he genuinely believed in, and its reasonable to assume that his actions will follow similar lines.
Would I want a self proclaimed nazi to work with me? Hell no. Would I want a misogynist to work with me? No.
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- 0xy 5y agoPolitical beliefs are a protected class in practically every first world country, including the US. If an employee was a member of a fascist party it'd quite literally be illegal to fire them on that basis.
- ir123 5y agoThat sucks tbh. It should be legal to fire a fascist.
- 3gg 5y agoSaid no fascist ever.
- PeterisP 5y agoNo, political beliefs are a protected class in practically every first world country, but excluding the US; in most states (excluding, IIRC, California - which matters a lot here) it would be legal for a private employer to fire an employee for being a member of the Democrat or Republican party. The key employee anti-discrimination law is the Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which prohibits employers from discriminating against applicants and employees on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, and national origin - but not political affiliation.
- zackees 5y agoThis is the correct answer. Believe it or not it’s completely legal to fire someone in California for going to a black lives matter protest or a conservative conference.
- TimTheTinker 5y agoDo you have any references? This is somewhat surprising to me.
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- 0xy 5y agoThis is false. [1] [1] https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/labor/harassment/political-retaliation/ https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/labor/harassment/political-reta...
- chrisoverzero 5y ago> […] a member of the Democrat or Republican party. It’s the Democratic party.
- busterarm 5y agopolitical affiliation is a protected class in DC though.
- 0xy 5y agoI don't understand the point, all of the firms mentioned in the OP are headquartered and have the majority of their staff in California, where it's illegal to fire for political beliefs. State, federal or Civil Rights Act or not, it's illegal. California Labor Code 1101 and 1102 LC expressly forbids it, including retaliatory actions (which is a much lower bar than firing). In California, being passed up for promotion or being discriminated against in ANY way as a result of your political beliefs or activities is illegal.
- philwelch 5y agoWhether or not it’s strictly illegal to, for example, blacklist people from their professions for being suspected members of the Communist Party, at some point we agreed it was a bad thing to do so. I guess the question now is, was there a general principle behind that, or are we just cool with Stalinism now?
- randoramax 5y agoYeah, but if you hire a fascist and you know they're a fascist in a company where the majority of your workers is not a fascist, you're going to have problems. Even if you discover after hiring them that they're fascist you'll have unhappy workers. You'll find a way to fire that fascist or lose the rest of the company.
- lanstin 5y agoI don’t think that is really true. The government can’t suppress speech due to political disagreements with it but private individuals (and “legal individuals” aka corporations) can discriminate based on political beliefs, even religious beliefs. Gender, race, national origin, these are traditional protected categories, and we are adding more as a consensus grows that other sorts of prejudice are harmful to the social compact, but you can be fired for thinking differently in a heartbeat. As mentioned elsewhere, unions can even out some of the capriciously used power of the bosses, but otherwise I think the law is not protecting anyone.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 5y agoPoint of order, in the US, religious belief/creed is a protected class. You can't fire someone for being Jewish, for example. On the other hand, certain beliefs of certain religions would be potentially incompatible with workplace discrimination law, including law that protects other protected classes. So it gets a little murky. One thing you can say is that if you have a religious belief that isn't causing you to bother other people, that's protected in the U.S. You are correct about political beliefs, though. At least as far as I can find, political affiliation is not protected. But even if it were, this would necessarily not cover all possible political beliefs, for the same murkiness reasons as above.
- lanstin 5y agoI think the case law is pretty clear that you can have an organization that refuses to hire gay people because of religion or people who don’t follow a certain religion, even for jobs like janitor (as opposed to priest).
- asdfasgasdgasdg 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group#United_States You're just not going to find a list of protected classes in the United States that doesn't include religion, edge cases notwithstanding.
- ridethebike 5y ago>> If an employee was a member of a fascist party it'd quite literally be illegal to fire them on that basis. I think the moment company starts taking heat on internet/talk shows/etc. for "employing fascists" that employee will get booted out for poor performance/HR complaints/staff cuts/etc. Or somehow he will resign himself ("no-no, we didn't force him out" company spokesman said in a statement).
- zo1 5y agoFrom every place I've personally seen mention of protecting groups in terms of hiring, they always copy-paste a cookie-cutter list of "protected classes". But political beliefs has never been one of them. I have this weird habit of checking each time. And it only differs by adding additional items related to the newer "classes" like gender/sex.
- aksss 5y agoPolitical beliefs are not a protected class federally but some states and DC may offer protections. I think a majority of states do not, however.
- 0xy 5y ago100% of the companies in the OP are headquartered in a state that does, however. Including the vast majority of their employees. California has strict protections, including protection from retaliation.
- aksss 5y agoYes, the GP was speaking about the US at large offering those protections, which it does not.
- rimliu 5y agoIt is not reasonable to assume. I may have different views about some traditions and customs but I may also understand that my views are not shared/accepted and act by the accepted norms even if I think they should change. "When in Rome…". Thoughtcrime moving from fiction to reality looks very scary.