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That's a really wishful-thinking reading of history. Back when women were coming into the workplace, no, a non-political workplace was not the thing called for

by kaitai 5y ago

That's a really wishful-thinking reading of history. Back when women were coming into the workplace, no, a non-political workplace was not the thing called for -- a male workplace was what was called for. If you need a movie, watch North Country (based on the nonfiction book Class Action). Then, as now, is that people show up to work in the bodies they have and they get shit for it. People get agitated because there are problems in the world they want to fix. Just 'cause they're not problems for you doesn't mean they're not problems. It's easy to pretend its all about fluidgender otherkin when it's not your problem.

betwixthewires 5y ago
It is my problem. That's arrogant of you to assume that I don't care about people and injustice. But the fact is, we are talking about absurdity in the workplace right now. We aren't talking about equal pay for black people or women. We aren't talking about equal consideration of homosexual people for jobs. When we talk of it hypothetically that's how it is framed so as to paint everyone tired of it as an evil bigot, but when it occurs in the workplace, it's a CEO getting fired for wearing anime shirts to work, it's a petition to require Google to issue a formal statement on the Israel Palestine conflict. The people that don't want politics in every waking moment of their lives, it's not that they just don't want to see their boss get fired for throwing a black guy's resume in the trash. It's that they're sick of every person's pet crusade being blasted into their lives and having to nod in eager agreement lest they be destroyed for not being one of the Good Guys™.
- lanstin 5y ago
  No the issues are more like if you send a resume in with an African American name or photo it is way less likely to be called for an interview than the same resume with a whiter name. Same for male/female etc. Even house appraisals and “call the cops or offer to help” as subject to the same, present day, biases.
  - bzbarsky 5y ago
    It _really_ depends on your industry. And time period. Studies from 20 years ago (which is when a lot of the studies people commonly cite for this were done) only tell us so much about conditions now. Again, varies widely by industry.
  - betwixthewires 5y ago
    Alright then how about this: the only politics allowed at work are racial, sex or sexuality discrimination at your workplace. Is that a good compromise? Or are you doing what a lot of people do, using these narrow issues as a wedge to do exactly what I'm talking about and people are tired of?

by kaitai 5y ago

betwixthewires 5y ago

It is my problem. That's arrogant of you to assume that I don't care about people and injustice. But the fact is, we are talking about absurdity in the workplace right now. We aren't talking about equal pay for black people or women. We aren't talking about equal consideration of homosexual people for jobs. When we talk of it hypothetically that's how it is framed so as to paint everyone tired of it as an evil bigot, but when it occurs in the workplace, it's a CEO getting fired for wearing anime shirts to work, it's a petition to require Google to issue a formal statement on the Israel Palestine conflict. The people that don't want politics in every waking moment of their lives, it's not that they just don't want to see their boss get fired for throwing a black guy's resume in the trash. It's that they're sick of every person's pet crusade being blasted into their lives and having to nod in eager agreement lest they be destroyed for not being one of the Good Guys™.

lanstin 5y ago
No the issues are more like if you send a resume in with an African American name or photo it is way less likely to be called for an interview than the same resume with a whiter name. Same for male/female etc. Even house appraisals and “call the cops or offer to help” as subject to the same, present day, biases.
- bzbarsky 5y ago
  It _really_ depends on your industry. And time period. Studies from 20 years ago (which is when a lot of the studies people commonly cite for this were done) only tell us so much about conditions now. Again, varies widely by industry.
- betwixthewires 5y ago
  Alright then how about this: the only politics allowed at work are racial, sex or sexuality discrimination at your workplace. Is that a good compromise? Or are you doing what a lot of people do, using these narrow issues as a wedge to do exactly what I'm talking about and people are tired of?