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Citation needed, especially in context with the comment talking about American vs Kiwi people.

by yladiz 5y ago

noofen 5y ago
Racial differences in homicide rates are poorly explained by economics [1]. [1]: https://randomcriticalanalysis.com/2015/11/16/racial-differences-in-homicide-rates-are-poorly-explained-by-economics/ https://randomcriticalanalysis.com/2015/11/16/racial-differe...
- maroonblazer 5y ago
  They're also poorly explained by genetics, as evidenced by the blog you cited.
  - noofen 5y ago
    The blog I cited found single-motherhood to be the most predictive. > At any given income level, black communities tend towards substantially higher average rates of single-motherhood (which, incidentally, contributes significantly differences in poverty rates as this data is reported). These "large differences in family structure" could be explained by r/K selection theory [1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory
    - runako 5y ago
      Occam would likely object to being left out of the conversation. Perhaps there's a more obvious reason for some of the differences in our society. Without going into too much detail, consider that the millennial generation of African Americans is the first generation in the country's history to be granted full citizenship rights at birth. (The beginning of Gen X was born into a legally segregated society.) Might that have an impact? If you do not believe the impact is material, it would be reasonable to ask you to explain why.
      - renewiltord 5y ago
        > * the millennial generation of African Americans is the first generation in the country's history to be granted full citizenship rights at birth * Well, now that’s a fact to marvel at. Wow.
- mushbino 5y ago
  Where in this analysis do they account for slavery, Jim Crowe, mass incarceration, redlining, systemic racism, etc? Or is the feeling that these things have no significant impact?
  - noofen 5y ago
    How do you account for it? Just give them more money? Rich African Americans commit crimes at a higher rate than Asians and Whites at the same socioeconomic level. Irish people haven't had a particularly pleasant past either, and you don't see people making excuses for them.
    - mushbino 5y ago
      Massive investments in black communities. Comparing the treatment of the Irish to 400 years of institutionalized chattel slavery is absurd on its face. Also, again, ignoring everything else I mentioned. Some books you should check out to learn more about this. The New Jim Crow and The Color of Money. Black communities have been chronically underfunded, underserved, over-policed, and segregated for the entire history of our country.
postsantum 5y ago
Citations on this topic haven't been doing well the last couple of decades. See what happened to James Watson

Citation needed, especially in context with the comment talking about American vs Kiwi people.

by yladiz 5y ago

Citation needed, especially in context with the comment talking about American vs Kiwi people.

Racial differences in homicide rates are poorly explained by economics [1]. [1]: https://randomcriticalanalysis.com/2015/11/16/racial-differences-in-homicide-rates-are-poorly-explained-by-economics/ https://randomcriticalanalysis.com/2015/11/16/racial-differe...

maroonblazer 5y ago
They're also poorly explained by genetics, as evidenced by the blog you cited.
- noofen 5y ago
  The blog I cited found single-motherhood to be the most predictive. > At any given income level, black communities tend towards substantially higher average rates of single-motherhood (which, incidentally, contributes significantly differences in poverty rates as this data is reported). These "large differences in family structure" could be explained by r/K selection theory [1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory
  - runako 5y ago
    Occam would likely object to being left out of the conversation. Perhaps there's a more obvious reason for some of the differences in our society. Without going into too much detail, consider that the millennial generation of African Americans is the first generation in the country's history to be granted full citizenship rights at birth. (The beginning of Gen X was born into a legally segregated society.) Might that have an impact? If you do not believe the impact is material, it would be reasonable to ask you to explain why.
    - renewiltord 5y ago
      > * the millennial generation of African Americans is the first generation in the country's history to be granted full citizenship rights at birth * Well, now that’s a fact to marvel at. Wow.
mushbino 5y ago
Where in this analysis do they account for slavery, Jim Crowe, mass incarceration, redlining, systemic racism, etc? Or is the feeling that these things have no significant impact?
- noofen 5y ago
  How do you account for it? Just give them more money? Rich African Americans commit crimes at a higher rate than Asians and Whites at the same socioeconomic level. Irish people haven't had a particularly pleasant past either, and you don't see people making excuses for them.
  - mushbino 5y ago
    Massive investments in black communities. Comparing the treatment of the Irish to 400 years of institutionalized chattel slavery is absurd on its face. Also, again, ignoring everything else I mentioned. Some books you should check out to learn more about this. The New Jim Crow and The Color of Money. Black communities have been chronically underfunded, underserved, over-policed, and segregated for the entire history of our country.

postsantum 5y ago

Citations on this topic haven't been doing well the last couple of decades. See what happened to James Watson