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Natural immunity is more robust than vaccine immunity. Not at all surprising. Why aren't we testing people for covid antibodies before injecting them with exper

Natural immunity is more robust than vaccine immunity. Not at all surprising. Why aren't we testing people for covid antibodies before injecting them with experimental medicine from corporations with a history of ethical abuses which were granted immunity from any liability their gene therapy may cause?

legobmw99 5y ago
I think it’s too soon to say, but there seems to be substantial evidence against what you’re claiming. In fact, it may be the opposite entirely: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.15.440089v2.full.pdf https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.15.440089v2.... https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2032195 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2032195 To be clear: I’m not arguing your later point. The questions of oversight and liability are very important and under-discussed.
Something1234 5y ago
You're not wrong. It would certainly be interesting to see what kinds of antibodies everyone has but that's not feasible. There's more than one way to do it. But you do sound like a crackpot with how many billions of dollars have gone into the research, and how few published reactions have occurred.
- juanani 5y ago
  I'd argue that the billions sunk is a great incentive to keep reactions unpublished, but I'm just a crackpot, so nvm.
- juanani 5y ago
  I'd argue that the billions already sunk are a great incentive to keep the publishings to a minimum, but I'm just a crackpot so nvm..
- astrange 5y ago
  He is wrong. Vaccine immunity is usually stronger than natural immunity; that's what "adjuvants" are for. For COVID, there's multiple vaccines, some of which include the spike and some include the whole thing. The most effective ones only include the spike, although of course that doesn't mean it's ideal.
ekerstein 5y ago
mRNA vaccines are not “gene therapy” in the popular sense of the term. They do not alter your genes in any way. Calling vaccines gene therapy is like calling milk “pus” or saying you shouldn’t use a microwave because it has “radiation”. It’s an appeal to an emotional response to a word. It’s one of the most annoying argumentative tactics.

legobmw99 5y ago

I think it’s too soon to say, but there seems to be substantial evidence against what you’re claiming. In fact, it may be the opposite entirely: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.15.440089v2.full.pdf https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.15.440089v2.... https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2032195 https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2032195 To be clear: I’m not arguing your later point. The questions of oversight and liability are very important and under-discussed.

Something1234 5y ago

You're not wrong. It would certainly be interesting to see what kinds of antibodies everyone has but that's not feasible. There's more than one way to do it. But you do sound like a crackpot with how many billions of dollars have gone into the research, and how few published reactions have occurred.

juanani 5y ago
I'd argue that the billions sunk is a great incentive to keep reactions unpublished, but I'm just a crackpot, so nvm.
juanani 5y ago
I'd argue that the billions already sunk are a great incentive to keep the publishings to a minimum, but I'm just a crackpot so nvm..
astrange 5y ago
He is wrong. Vaccine immunity is usually stronger than natural immunity; that's what "adjuvants" are for. For COVID, there's multiple vaccines, some of which include the spike and some include the whole thing. The most effective ones only include the spike, although of course that doesn't mean it's ideal.

ekerstein 5y ago

mRNA vaccines are not “gene therapy” in the popular sense of the term. They do not alter your genes in any way. Calling vaccines gene therapy is like calling milk “pus” or saying you shouldn’t use a microwave because it has “radiation”. It’s an appeal to an emotional response to a word. It’s one of the most annoying argumentative tactics.