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> You don’t think conservatives do exactly the same thing? Cancelling isn’t unique to the left nor something that just recently started. Yes, conservatives did

by seneca 5y ago

> You don’t think conservatives do exactly the same thing? Cancelling isn’t unique to the left nor something that just recently started. Yes, conservatives did the same thing during Mccarthyism, and it's widely accepted to have been a bad thing. A different group having made the same mistake in the past is a reason not to do it again, not an excuse to do more of it.

monocasa 5y ago
Conservatives currently use cancelling as a tactic as well.
- ryder9 5y ago
  have for the longest time, remember rock bands in the 70s, satan panic, gay panic, "gangster rap", dixie chicks after 9/11, trans bathroom thing but they're also the best at gaslighting and projecting
- tonfreed 5y ago
  And that makes it ok how, exactly?
  - monocasa 5y ago
    Because the problem with McCarthyism was the government infringing on freedom of association. On the other hand, the kind of cancelling that gets talked about today is simply people independently exercising their freedom of association, and it's being made into a boogie man to take those choices away from people. I don't have a problem with conservatives doing it either as long as they don't enforce it on others, and don't do it for the protected classes. Everything else is fair game for both sides.
    - Spooky23 5y ago
      Ask Liz Cheney how that goes. What happened to her is making an example. Tow the MAGA line or else.
      - monocasa 5y ago
        As much as I disagree with their decisions, the Republicans get to decide Republican leadership. Just like people get to say "we decided not to associate with you".
        Spooky23 5y ago
        I think you missed my point. It’s not about party governance. The more reactionary elements are, to put it politely, bullies. Stefanik went to school a few blocks away from me and her evolution/devolution has been well publicized even before she hit the national spotlight. It makes her the perfect patsy. She has been “rewarded” for loyalty, but has to double down on whatever. The problem is you have to do what the bullies want or you’re in the cold. The issue for the public at large is you have a coalition of reactionaries, losers (the Colorado bartender with a gun fetish turned Representative) and compromised people whose only path forward is double down on extremism. There’s a non-zero probability that someone like Rep. Greene will accuse POTUS of being a alien lizard-person. It’s exactly the same as McCarthy.
        monocasa 5y ago
        It's not the same as McCarthy because they aren't nuking someone's access to anything other than Republican party leadership. McCarthy could take away random citizen's livelihood; Greene is just playing politics in a gross way with other politicians.
naravara 5y ago
It wasn’t just the Red Scare. Black people were cancelled by default. Jews were tolerated, at best, and quota’d out of leadership roles. Women were functionally disallowed from being anywhere near whole classes of employment. Gay people were forced to hide and remain closeted to even be allowed in polite company. Most of what right wingers complain about being “cancelled” for are perpetuating arguments to restore the bad old days where members of all those groups were treated as second or third class citizens. Can you blame them for occasionally being a little overexuberant in telling you to STFU?
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  > Can you blame them for occasionally being a little overexuberant in telling you to STFU? Absolutely. If you claim the moral high ground, you cannot possibly expect to be taken seriously if you make the same mistakes as the people you are criticizing.
  - naravara 5y ago
    It’s not a “mistake.” It’s a power struggle and people just don’t like the shoe being on the other foot for a change.
    - matheusmoreira 5y ago
      That's fine. Struggling for power is absolutely okay. It is natural. Let's recognize it for what it is. What I don't accept is virtuous claims that people want equality. It was never about that. It's about increasing their own group's power and privileges.
      - naravara 5y ago
        > It's about increasing their own group's power and privileges. How does an underpowered, underprivileged group achieve equality without doing this? What does "equality" even mean without those things?
meristohm 5y ago
Might the current efforts to make it harder for specific demographics to vote be considered a form of canceling? Is gerrymandering a form of canceling?
heavyset_go 5y ago
They do it today, too. Conservatives in my area canceled a small business because the owners shared a BLM meme on Facebook. They even got the local PBA spokesperson to smear the business all over media, as well. The owners had to take down their social media profiles, and felt pressured enough to release a statement for apologizing for the meme.
- esyir 5y ago
  Good. If we can have more even distribution of that, then it'll hopefully enable bipartisan pushback. Or it'll just get worse and even more partisan, but that's the current trajectory anyway.

by seneca 5y ago

monocasa 5y ago

Conservatives currently use cancelling as a tactic as well.

ryder9 5y ago
have for the longest time, remember rock bands in the 70s, satan panic, gay panic, "gangster rap", dixie chicks after 9/11, trans bathroom thing but they're also the best at gaslighting and projecting
tonfreed 5y ago
And that makes it ok how, exactly?
- monocasa 5y ago
  Because the problem with McCarthyism was the government infringing on freedom of association. On the other hand, the kind of cancelling that gets talked about today is simply people independently exercising their freedom of association, and it's being made into a boogie man to take those choices away from people. I don't have a problem with conservatives doing it either as long as they don't enforce it on others, and don't do it for the protected classes. Everything else is fair game for both sides.
  - Spooky23 5y ago
    Ask Liz Cheney how that goes. What happened to her is making an example. Tow the MAGA line or else.
    - monocasa 5y ago
      As much as I disagree with their decisions, the Republicans get to decide Republican leadership. Just like people get to say "we decided not to associate with you".
      - Spooky23 5y ago
        I think you missed my point. It’s not about party governance. The more reactionary elements are, to put it politely, bullies. Stefanik went to school a few blocks away from me and her evolution/devolution has been well publicized even before she hit the national spotlight. It makes her the perfect patsy. She has been “rewarded” for loyalty, but has to double down on whatever. The problem is you have to do what the bullies want or you’re in the cold. The issue for the public at large is you have a coalition of reactionaries, losers (the Colorado bartender with a gun fetish turned Representative) and compromised people whose only path forward is double down on extremism. There’s a non-zero probability that someone like Rep. Greene will accuse POTUS of being a alien lizard-person. It’s exactly the same as McCarthy.
        monocasa 5y ago
        It's not the same as McCarthy because they aren't nuking someone's access to anything other than Republican party leadership. McCarthy could take away random citizen's livelihood; Greene is just playing politics in a gross way with other politicians.

naravara 5y ago

It wasn’t just the Red Scare. Black people were cancelled by default. Jews were tolerated, at best, and quota’d out of leadership roles. Women were functionally disallowed from being anywhere near whole classes of employment. Gay people were forced to hide and remain closeted to even be allowed in polite company. Most of what right wingers complain about being “cancelled” for are perpetuating arguments to restore the bad old days where members of all those groups were treated as second or third class citizens. Can you blame them for occasionally being a little overexuberant in telling you to STFU?

matheusmoreira 5y ago
> Can you blame them for occasionally being a little overexuberant in telling you to STFU? Absolutely. If you claim the moral high ground, you cannot possibly expect to be taken seriously if you make the same mistakes as the people you are criticizing.
- naravara 5y ago
  It’s not a “mistake.” It’s a power struggle and people just don’t like the shoe being on the other foot for a change.
  - matheusmoreira 5y ago
    That's fine. Struggling for power is absolutely okay. It is natural. Let's recognize it for what it is. What I don't accept is virtuous claims that people want equality. It was never about that. It's about increasing their own group's power and privileges.
    - naravara 5y ago
      > It's about increasing their own group's power and privileges. How does an underpowered, underprivileged group achieve equality without doing this? What does "equality" even mean without those things?

meristohm 5y ago

Might the current efforts to make it harder for specific demographics to vote be considered a form of canceling? Is gerrymandering a form of canceling?

heavyset_go 5y ago

They do it today, too. Conservatives in my area canceled a small business because the owners shared a BLM meme on Facebook. They even got the local PBA spokesperson to smear the business all over media, as well. The owners had to take down their social media profiles, and felt pressured enough to release a statement for apologizing for the meme.

esyir 5y ago
Good. If we can have more even distribution of that, then it'll hopefully enable bipartisan pushback. Or it'll just get worse and even more partisan, but that's the current trajectory anyway.