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There are many, many videos like this: https://youtu.be/arss9V3A1VA?t=44 https://youtu.be/arss9V3A1VA?t=44 Warning, there is nothing NSFW, but it's just sicke

There are many, many videos like this: https://youtu.be/arss9V3A1VA?t=44 https://youtu.be/arss9V3A1VA?t=44 Warning, there is nothing NSFW, but it's just sickening to watch.

waynesonfire 5y ago
wow, savage.
dicomdan 5y ago
That video is racist, take it down immediately.
- guepe 5y ago
  Most people commit crimes because they are desperate. This is likely the root-cause here, especially given the type of crime here.
  - baggy_trough 5y ago
    If you don't actually prosecute the crimes, that changes the equation.
  - knubie 5y ago
    Desperate for makeup?
    - zorpner 5y ago
      https://www.gutenberg.org/files/3300/3300-h/3300-h.htm https://www.gutenberg.org/files/3300/3300-h/3300-h.htm "By necessaries I understand, not only the commodities which are indispensibly necessary for the support of life, but whatever the custom of the country renders it indecent for creditable people, even of the lowest order, to be without. A linen shirt, for example, is, strictly speaking, not a necessary of life. The Greeks and Romans lived, I suppose, very comfortably, though they had no linen. But in the present times, through the greater part of Europe, a creditable day-labourer would be ashamed to appear in public without a linen shirt, the want of which would be supposed to denote that disgraceful degree of poverty, which, it is presumed, nobody can well fall into without extreme bad conduct. Custom, in the same manner, has rendered leather shoes a necessary of life in England. The poorest creditable person, of either sex, would be ashamed to appear in public without them."
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > Desperate for makeup? If they're desperate, they're probably desperate for cash. Makeup is small, high value, and can be resold.
  - berniemadoff69 5y ago
    there's all sorts of criminal activity that has nothing to do with acts of desperation. perhaps you meant most people shoplift because they are desperate. but that doesn't even seem to be the case either: > These clusters comprise a typology of shoplifting, including Loss-Reactive (28% of the sample), Impulsive (20%), Depressed (18%), Hobbyist (18%), Addictive–Compulsive (9%), and Economically Disadvantaged (7%) types. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0306624X19845979 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0306624X19845979
  - Vaslo 5y ago
    They aren’t stealing food or clothes. They are stealing gobs and gobs of makeup - you could argue maybe one or two sets, but it’s like 100. That’s not desperate, that’s just a “&@@$ you I do what I want.”
- dang 5y ago
  Please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to Hacker News. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- redis_mlc 5y ago
  1) No, the video is factual, not racist. 2) Having seen similar shoplifting incidents around SF, I feel bad for the security guards. They're not allowed to physically stop thieves at larger chains, but they're expected to follow and hinder them. It's a very tough job, ad prone to injury. It's fascinating to watch the change in behavior when the "security guard" flashes his SF Police badge and says, "Actually, I'm a real cop." Then the thief drops everything, stops mouthing off, and heads for the door..
kukx 5y ago
It makes me wonder, what the owner could do in that environment to prevent such theft, ie in the circumstances where the police cannot be bothered. I wonder if making extremely loud, directed noise to cause a discomfort for thieves is legal or effective.
- calvinmorrison 5y ago
  In fact they sell these noise makers, they're called BoomSticks and they also launch lethal projectiles.
  - dmoy 5y ago
    In most (all?) US localities, you can't legally shoot someone for stealing stuff from your store.
    - tinyhouse 5y ago
      That's good! Deadly force should only be used to prevent serious physical harm. It should be pretty easy to trace those people and put them in jail. But I'm sure the SF police didn't even bother.
      - dmoy 5y ago
        Does SF prosecute petty theft? In Seattle we mostly don't, and haven't for years. As a result, there's usually not much point for police to put petty thieves in jail. I'm not even sure they investigate/prosecute class C felony theft here much anymore. Above $5,000 stolen (class B felony theft), and then maybe there's a case.
        staticassertion 5y ago
        I think it's a misdemeanor here.
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archsurface 5y ago
Crikey. I see audacious shoplifting in London, but not like that.
tablespoon 5y ago
> here are many, many videos like this: https://youtu.be/arss9V3A1VA?t=44 https://youtu.be/arss9V3A1VA?t=44 That's brazen. Some of the shoplifters were even wearing masks, but pulled them down to their chins.
redis_mlc 5y ago
If you watch the video to the end, you see how it escalates from shoplifting to violence when the thief doesn't get his way - essentially he doesn't know the word "respect" beyond "I demand you respect me", even in the midst of a robbery. Having seen similar shoplifting incidents around SF, I feel bad for the security guards. They're not allowed to physically stop thieves at larger chains, but they're expected to follow and hinder them. It's a very tough job, ad prone to injury. It's fascinating to watch the change in behavior when the "security guard" flashes his SF Police badge and says, "Actually, I'm a real cop." Then the thief drops everything, stops mouthing off, and heads for the door..
- redis_mlc 5y ago
  I was in a SF CVS today and a known shoplifter walked in with a backpack. The register paged for security within seconds, which was impressive, although I think they were short-staffed, so there was nobody. I didn't hang around for the drama. Sigh, seen enough incidents for a lifetime.
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ergocoder 5y ago
Wow, it is this blatant these days. This is just crazy.

There are many, many videos like this: https://youtu.be/arss9V3A1VA?t=44 https://youtu.be/arss9V3A1VA?t=44 Warning, there is nothing NSFW, but it's just sickening to watch.

waynesonfire 5y ago

wow, savage.

dicomdan 5y ago

That video is racist, take it down immediately.

guepe 5y ago
Most people commit crimes because they are desperate. This is likely the root-cause here, especially given the type of crime here.
- baggy_trough 5y ago
  If you don't actually prosecute the crimes, that changes the equation.
- knubie 5y ago
  Desperate for makeup?
  - zorpner 5y ago
    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/3300/3300-h/3300-h.htm https://www.gutenberg.org/files/3300/3300-h/3300-h.htm "By necessaries I understand, not only the commodities which are indispensibly necessary for the support of life, but whatever the custom of the country renders it indecent for creditable people, even of the lowest order, to be without. A linen shirt, for example, is, strictly speaking, not a necessary of life. The Greeks and Romans lived, I suppose, very comfortably, though they had no linen. But in the present times, through the greater part of Europe, a creditable day-labourer would be ashamed to appear in public without a linen shirt, the want of which would be supposed to denote that disgraceful degree of poverty, which, it is presumed, nobody can well fall into without extreme bad conduct. Custom, in the same manner, has rendered leather shoes a necessary of life in England. The poorest creditable person, of either sex, would be ashamed to appear in public without them."
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > Desperate for makeup? If they're desperate, they're probably desperate for cash. Makeup is small, high value, and can be resold.
- berniemadoff69 5y ago
  there's all sorts of criminal activity that has nothing to do with acts of desperation. perhaps you meant most people shoplift because they are desperate. but that doesn't even seem to be the case either: > These clusters comprise a typology of shoplifting, including Loss-Reactive (28% of the sample), Impulsive (20%), Depressed (18%), Hobbyist (18%), Addictive–Compulsive (9%), and Economically Disadvantaged (7%) types. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0306624X19845979 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0306624X19845979
- Vaslo 5y ago
  They aren’t stealing food or clothes. They are stealing gobs and gobs of makeup - you could argue maybe one or two sets, but it’s like 100. That’s not desperate, that’s just a “&@@$ you I do what I want.”
dang 5y ago
Please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to Hacker News. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
redis_mlc 5y ago
1) No, the video is factual, not racist. 2) Having seen similar shoplifting incidents around SF, I feel bad for the security guards. They're not allowed to physically stop thieves at larger chains, but they're expected to follow and hinder them. It's a very tough job, ad prone to injury. It's fascinating to watch the change in behavior when the "security guard" flashes his SF Police badge and says, "Actually, I'm a real cop." Then the thief drops everything, stops mouthing off, and heads for the door..

kukx 5y ago

It makes me wonder, what the owner could do in that environment to prevent such theft, ie in the circumstances where the police cannot be bothered. I wonder if making extremely loud, directed noise to cause a discomfort for thieves is legal or effective.

calvinmorrison 5y ago
In fact they sell these noise makers, they're called BoomSticks and they also launch lethal projectiles.
- dmoy 5y ago
  In most (all?) US localities, you can't legally shoot someone for stealing stuff from your store.
  - tinyhouse 5y ago
    That's good! Deadly force should only be used to prevent serious physical harm. It should be pretty easy to trace those people and put them in jail. But I'm sure the SF police didn't even bother.
    - dmoy 5y ago
      Does SF prosecute petty theft? In Seattle we mostly don't, and haven't for years. As a result, there's usually not much point for police to put petty thieves in jail. I'm not even sure they investigate/prosecute class C felony theft here much anymore. Above $5,000 stolen (class B felony theft), and then maybe there's a case.
      - staticassertion 5y ago
        I think it's a misdemeanor here.
    - deleted 5y ago
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archsurface 5y ago

Crikey. I see audacious shoplifting in London, but not like that.

tablespoon 5y ago

> here are many, many videos like this: https://youtu.be/arss9V3A1VA?t=44 https://youtu.be/arss9V3A1VA?t=44 That's brazen. Some of the shoplifters were even wearing masks, but pulled them down to their chins.

redis_mlc 5y ago

If you watch the video to the end, you see how it escalates from shoplifting to violence when the thief doesn't get his way - essentially he doesn't know the word "respect" beyond "I demand you respect me", even in the midst of a robbery. Having seen similar shoplifting incidents around SF, I feel bad for the security guards. They're not allowed to physically stop thieves at larger chains, but they're expected to follow and hinder them. It's a very tough job, ad prone to injury. It's fascinating to watch the change in behavior when the "security guard" flashes his SF Police badge and says, "Actually, I'm a real cop." Then the thief drops everything, stops mouthing off, and heads for the door..

redis_mlc 5y ago
I was in a SF CVS today and a known shoplifter walked in with a backpack. The register paged for security within seconds, which was impressive, although I think they were short-staffed, so there was nobody. I didn't hang around for the drama. Sigh, seen enough incidents for a lifetime.

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ergocoder 5y ago

Wow, it is this blatant these days. This is just crazy.