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Not an expert in the oil sands but personally I think there are benefits from getting oil from a virtually uninhabited area in northern canada vs relying on oth

Not an expert in the oil sands but personally I think there are benefits from getting oil from a virtually uninhabited area in northern canada vs relying on other suppliers. I completely agree on the vaccine issue, Canada had failed miserably vs. comparator nations in this regard.

cmrdporcupine 5y ago
What comparator nations? Do you mean the ones with their own vaccine manufacturing, and the ones that put in place protectionist measures to prevent their trading partners and allies from buying vaccines from them? Canada is just lucky the EU doesn't behave like the US, and we have been able to source vaccines from Pfizer's EU manufacturing. When the chips were down, we couldn't rely on our friends to the south. Now that we have supply, Canada's vaccination rate is climbing rapidly. Well over 50% of the eligible (12+) population and climbing.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  > and the ones that put in place protectionist measures to prevent their trading partners and allies from buying vaccines from them? Citation needed? There are no, as far as I'm aware of, any trade restrictions on vaccines being shipped to Canada from the United States. The Trump administration simply invested earlier in promising vaccines, and therefore secured the first deliveries. Canada decided not to do so, and invested later so it wasn't able to secure earlier deliveries. It also wasted time and money backing the SinoVac which failed to deliver anything. > Canada is just lucky the EU doesn't behave like the US, and we have been able to source vaccines from Pfizer's EU manufacturing. When the chips were down, we couldn't rely on our friends to the south. All Canada had to do was invest earlier. I fail to understand how the US are "letting Canada down" by simply... getting deliveries they paid for!
  - cmrdporcupine 5y ago
    https://financialpost.com/news/economy/biden-uses-trumps-america-first-vaccine-plan-to-corner-market https://financialpost.com/news/economy/biden-uses-trumps-ame... Trump enacted controls (used the US Defense Production Act) which prevented manufacturers from exporting until all domestic orders were fulfilled. It was questionable whether it was enforceable, but manufacturers have followed it. Biden has continued this policy. Even to the point of hoarding vaccines not yet approved in the US (AstraZeneca) though they did eventually relent and give a smattering of expiring doses to Mexico and Canada. In addition there's recent controversy about US export controls on medical supplies & materials which would be used for administration or production of vaccines as well: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/04/24/world/covid-vaccine-coronavirus-cases https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/04/24/world/covid-vaccine-... Canada did invest early. With Pfizer's Belgium plant. But so did everyone else. "There are no, as far as I'm aware of, any trade restrictions on vaccines being shipped to Canada from the United States" -- You're just plain wrong.
    - 908B64B197 5y ago
      Reading the articles, suppliers are simply delivering the doses in the order they were bought. There's no "evil export restrictions". Other countries simply had to invest earlier, when it was more risky to do so, if they wanted to be the first to get doses.
      - cmrdporcupine 5y ago
        You didn't read then, it clearly states in the articles (and many others you can google) that the defense production act (or rather the threat of it) and executive order required manufacturers to prioritize domestic orders over exports. To this day manufacturers in the US are still not exporting their supply. What date you put your order in doesn't matter if the supplier isn't allowed to provide it to you until later -- so we didn't order from the US because at that point Trump made it clear we wouldn't be getting any from them. So Pfizer supplied us from Belgium. FWIW Canada announced their order of the Pfizer vaccine August 5th. The US on July 22nd. Are you seriously trying to suggest that two weeks is the key decider here? Nonsense. https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-vaccines-trump-idUSKBN28I2UR https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-vaccines-... And an executive order was signed later to make it clear, these vaccines were for America First (despite the R&D on them being done in Europe) "Trump made his remarks just before signing an executive order intended to ensure that priority access for COVID-19 vaccines procured by the U.S. government is given to the American people before assisting other nations."
        908B64B197 5y ago
        You seem to have been mislead here. The act exists, but has not been used so far. Manufacturers are simply following delivery schedules. > FWIW Canada announced their order of the Pfizer vaccine August 5th. The US on July 22nd. Are you seriously trying to suggest that two weeks is the key decider here? Nonsense. Two weeks is a huge amount of time! The US was smart to secure it's orders sooner. There's limited supply and one big buyer (the United States) placed a large order first. I don't understand why Trudeau decided to wait a whole week to place his order (but hey, If Canadians prefer to get vaccines later that's good for us). It's like with investing: if you show up a week late to the series A, it's too late! > for COVID-19 vaccines procured by the U.S. government is given to the American people before assisting other nations. "Procured by" here is the key. It's only natural that what the US government bought using American taxpayer's money goes to American taxpayers first. This EO does not prevent any company from selling internationally, it prevents the US government from distributing the dose it purchased to foreign countries. This doesn't impact Canadian purchases. Not sure why there's so much misinformation floating around the Executive Orders and manufacturer's delivery schedules. Maybe the Canadian government is trying to save face?

cmrdporcupine 5y ago

What comparator nations? Do you mean the ones with their own vaccine manufacturing, and the ones that put in place protectionist measures to prevent their trading partners and allies from buying vaccines from them? Canada is just lucky the EU doesn't behave like the US, and we have been able to source vaccines from Pfizer's EU manufacturing. When the chips were down, we couldn't rely on our friends to the south. Now that we have supply, Canada's vaccination rate is climbing rapidly. Well over 50% of the eligible (12+) population and climbing.

908B64B197 5y ago
> and the ones that put in place protectionist measures to prevent their trading partners and allies from buying vaccines from them? Citation needed? There are no, as far as I'm aware of, any trade restrictions on vaccines being shipped to Canada from the United States. The Trump administration simply invested earlier in promising vaccines, and therefore secured the first deliveries. Canada decided not to do so, and invested later so it wasn't able to secure earlier deliveries. It also wasted time and money backing the SinoVac which failed to deliver anything. > Canada is just lucky the EU doesn't behave like the US, and we have been able to source vaccines from Pfizer's EU manufacturing. When the chips were down, we couldn't rely on our friends to the south. All Canada had to do was invest earlier. I fail to understand how the US are "letting Canada down" by simply... getting deliveries they paid for!
- cmrdporcupine 5y ago
  https://financialpost.com/news/economy/biden-uses-trumps-america-first-vaccine-plan-to-corner-market https://financialpost.com/news/economy/biden-uses-trumps-ame... Trump enacted controls (used the US Defense Production Act) which prevented manufacturers from exporting until all domestic orders were fulfilled. It was questionable whether it was enforceable, but manufacturers have followed it. Biden has continued this policy. Even to the point of hoarding vaccines not yet approved in the US (AstraZeneca) though they did eventually relent and give a smattering of expiring doses to Mexico and Canada. In addition there's recent controversy about US export controls on medical supplies & materials which would be used for administration or production of vaccines as well: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/04/24/world/covid-vaccine-coronavirus-cases https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/04/24/world/covid-vaccine-... Canada did invest early. With Pfizer's Belgium plant. But so did everyone else. "There are no, as far as I'm aware of, any trade restrictions on vaccines being shipped to Canada from the United States" -- You're just plain wrong.
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    Reading the articles, suppliers are simply delivering the doses in the order they were bought. There's no "evil export restrictions". Other countries simply had to invest earlier, when it was more risky to do so, if they wanted to be the first to get doses.
    - cmrdporcupine 5y ago
      You didn't read then, it clearly states in the articles (and many others you can google) that the defense production act (or rather the threat of it) and executive order required manufacturers to prioritize domestic orders over exports. To this day manufacturers in the US are still not exporting their supply. What date you put your order in doesn't matter if the supplier isn't allowed to provide it to you until later -- so we didn't order from the US because at that point Trump made it clear we wouldn't be getting any from them. So Pfizer supplied us from Belgium. FWIW Canada announced their order of the Pfizer vaccine August 5th. The US on July 22nd. Are you seriously trying to suggest that two weeks is the key decider here? Nonsense. https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-vaccines-trump-idUSKBN28I2UR https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-vaccines-... And an executive order was signed later to make it clear, these vaccines were for America First (despite the R&D on them being done in Europe) "Trump made his remarks just before signing an executive order intended to ensure that priority access for COVID-19 vaccines procured by the U.S. government is given to the American people before assisting other nations."
      - 908B64B197 5y ago
        You seem to have been mislead here. The act exists, but has not been used so far. Manufacturers are simply following delivery schedules. > FWIW Canada announced their order of the Pfizer vaccine August 5th. The US on July 22nd. Are you seriously trying to suggest that two weeks is the key decider here? Nonsense. Two weeks is a huge amount of time! The US was smart to secure it's orders sooner. There's limited supply and one big buyer (the United States) placed a large order first. I don't understand why Trudeau decided to wait a whole week to place his order (but hey, If Canadians prefer to get vaccines later that's good for us). It's like with investing: if you show up a week late to the series A, it's too late! > for COVID-19 vaccines procured by the U.S. government is given to the American people before assisting other nations. "Procured by" here is the key. It's only natural that what the US government bought using American taxpayer's money goes to American taxpayers first. This EO does not prevent any company from selling internationally, it prevents the US government from distributing the dose it purchased to foreign countries. This doesn't impact Canadian purchases. Not sure why there's so much misinformation floating around the Executive Orders and manufacturer's delivery schedules. Maybe the Canadian government is trying to save face?