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You own a phone yes. But you don’t own iOS. So take your own phone and install your own OS on it if that’s what you want.

by slver 5y ago

stale2002 5y ago
Ok, and people should be allowed to install whatever they want on their own hardware. We don't need to force Apple to put apps on its app store. Instead, people should be allowed to install whatever they want on the hardware that they own. > So take your own phone and install your own OS Or, instead of that, we could use the court system, to stop illegal anti-competitive practices, and require, by the existing law, that people are allowed to do what they want with their own phone.
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- slver 5y ago
  You can do whatever you want with your phone already. As I said you don’t own iOS. Install your own OS.
  - stale2002 5y ago
    > You can do whatever you want with your phone already. But, with the court decision, it will become much easier to install other app stores on the phone, if Apple's actions are ruled illegal anti-competitive. Thats the point. The illegal anti-competitive behavior, that makes it more difficult for people to install other software, could be blocked by the courts. At which people, people will be able to install other app stores, while also having iOS on their phone. That sounds like a much better solution to all of this. Everyone gets what they want, and can now more easily install things on the phone that they own.
    - slver 5y ago
      I don’t get what I want. I want Apple to control their ecosystem. It significantly altered the iPhone experience for the better imho and this is why I buy the products. A store in a store is like a country in a country. I declare myself a country now laws no longer apply to me. How would that work for society. And you already had what you want. It’s full of phones where you can install whatever. Why should you force Apple to offer a product they don’t want to?
      - stale2002 5y ago
        > I want Apple to control their ecosystem Users are free to choose the Apple app store, if the decide to do so. The problem is Apple's illegal, anti-competitive behavior, that needs to be stopped. > I don’t get what I want. If the courts rules that Apple's behavior is illegally anti-competitive, then what will likely happens is that Apple will be ordered to make it easier for people to install other app stores, if the users choose to do so. > It significantly altered the iPhone experience You can continue to have that experience. Just don't install other app stores. But, if the courts rule that apple's behavior is illegal, then other users will be able to choose differently. > declare myself a country now laws no longer apply to me. What are you talking about? I am talking about the law. You know, the court case that is happening right now? The legal system? The judge, in this case, in America, could rule Apple' behavior illegal, and force them to make it easier to install other app stores. > And you already had what you want. No, actually. What other users and developers want, is for Apple's behavior to be ruled illegally anti-competitive, and for them to be required to stop intentionally making it more difficult for people to install other app stores, using their illegal anti-competitive behavior. > Why should you force Apple to offer a product they don’t want to? It is not about forcing them to offer a product. Instead, it is about stopping them from spending so much effort, illegally, to stop competitor app stores. With their illegal behavior.
        slver 5y ago
        The problem is users would always choose short-term gain of saving a buck, over security, over user experience, over the health of the ecosystem. The average user doesn't understand all the complex implications of their choices. But they understand paying $3 instead of $4. And that's ok, the average user doesn't have to think about all these things. But this is why Apple has to. What's really disappointing is this sub should be populated by relatively intelligent individuals, yet this intelligence, which I'm sure is there, didn't help in figuring out how Epic getting what it wants would significantly harm the iPhone experience.

You own a phone yes. But you don’t own iOS. So take your own phone and install your own OS on it if that’s what you want.

by slver 5y ago

You own a phone yes. But you don’t own iOS. So take your own phone and install your own OS on it if that’s what you want.

stale2002 5y ago

Ok, and people should be allowed to install whatever they want on their own hardware. We don't need to force Apple to put apps on its app store. Instead, people should be allowed to install whatever they want on the hardware that they own. > So take your own phone and install your own OS Or, instead of that, we could use the court system, to stop illegal anti-competitive practices, and require, by the existing law, that people are allowed to do what they want with their own phone.

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slver 5y ago
You can do whatever you want with your phone already. As I said you don’t own iOS. Install your own OS.
- stale2002 5y ago
  > You can do whatever you want with your phone already. But, with the court decision, it will become much easier to install other app stores on the phone, if Apple's actions are ruled illegal anti-competitive. Thats the point. The illegal anti-competitive behavior, that makes it more difficult for people to install other software, could be blocked by the courts. At which people, people will be able to install other app stores, while also having iOS on their phone. That sounds like a much better solution to all of this. Everyone gets what they want, and can now more easily install things on the phone that they own.
  - slver 5y ago
    I don’t get what I want. I want Apple to control their ecosystem. It significantly altered the iPhone experience for the better imho and this is why I buy the products. A store in a store is like a country in a country. I declare myself a country now laws no longer apply to me. How would that work for society. And you already had what you want. It’s full of phones where you can install whatever. Why should you force Apple to offer a product they don’t want to?
    - stale2002 5y ago
      > I want Apple to control their ecosystem Users are free to choose the Apple app store, if the decide to do so. The problem is Apple's illegal, anti-competitive behavior, that needs to be stopped. > I don’t get what I want. If the courts rules that Apple's behavior is illegally anti-competitive, then what will likely happens is that Apple will be ordered to make it easier for people to install other app stores, if the users choose to do so. > It significantly altered the iPhone experience You can continue to have that experience. Just don't install other app stores. But, if the courts rule that apple's behavior is illegal, then other users will be able to choose differently. > declare myself a country now laws no longer apply to me. What are you talking about? I am talking about the law. You know, the court case that is happening right now? The legal system? The judge, in this case, in America, could rule Apple' behavior illegal, and force them to make it easier to install other app stores. > And you already had what you want. No, actually. What other users and developers want, is for Apple's behavior to be ruled illegally anti-competitive, and for them to be required to stop intentionally making it more difficult for people to install other app stores, using their illegal anti-competitive behavior. > Why should you force Apple to offer a product they don’t want to? It is not about forcing them to offer a product. Instead, it is about stopping them from spending so much effort, illegally, to stop competitor app stores. With their illegal behavior.
      - slver 5y ago
        The problem is users would always choose short-term gain of saving a buck, over security, over user experience, over the health of the ecosystem. The average user doesn't understand all the complex implications of their choices. But they understand paying $3 instead of $4. And that's ok, the average user doesn't have to think about all these things. But this is why Apple has to. What's really disappointing is this sub should be populated by relatively intelligent individuals, yet this intelligence, which I'm sure is there, didn't help in figuring out how Epic getting what it wants would significantly harm the iPhone experience.