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The pretty obvious solution is to not buy Apple devices I have never owned an Apple device, but they clearly believe locking them down is part of the appeal of

by fooey 5y ago

The pretty obvious solution is to not buy Apple devices I have never owned an Apple device, but they clearly believe locking them down is part of the appeal of the devices in the first place. If you want an impartial platform get an android; if you want a curated ecosystem get an apple

skohan 5y ago
> but they clearly believe locking them down is part of the appeal of the devices in the first place. Do they believe that? Their behavior and stance could equally be explained by pursuing their economic best-interest
- kergonath 5y ago
  They most definitely are. But they figured that aligning their interests with their users’ brings in quite a lot of money. Security and privacy certainly is part of the appeal of iOS devices, and strict sandboxing and app vetting is part of that. So is not having to leave your card details on the developer’s database every time you buy an app.
  - fartcannon 5y ago
    You can still have that even if it's open. There's literally nothing preventing them doing all that while letting others choose not to.
    - kergonath 5y ago
      You can’t, because no app can install other apps. So sandboxing would need to be significantly changed. Every big software publisher having its own store implies that our details will be stored in more databases, which increases the risk of hack or leak. The alternative would be to not get apps that we can currently get without risking much. It is hard to see this as a progress.
      - EvanAnderson 5y ago
        Google did this right with developer mode on Chrome OS. Flip a physical interlock and your device becomes simultaneously "yours" and untrusted by Google. Apple could do the same thing. They won't because the reason for the walled garden is revenue. The user privacy and security gambit conveniently aligns with generating revenue.
stale2002 5y ago
> The pretty obvious solution is to not buy Apple devices But there are other solutions. The other solution is that people are allowed to do what they want, with phones that they own. And you don't have to download other app stores, if you don't want to!
fartcannon 5y ago
I think the better solution is to persuade them to open up their computing devices.

by fooey 5y ago

skohan 5y ago

> but they clearly believe locking them down is part of the appeal of the devices in the first place. Do they believe that? Their behavior and stance could equally be explained by pursuing their economic best-interest

kergonath 5y ago
They most definitely are. But they figured that aligning their interests with their users’ brings in quite a lot of money. Security and privacy certainly is part of the appeal of iOS devices, and strict sandboxing and app vetting is part of that. So is not having to leave your card details on the developer’s database every time you buy an app.
- fartcannon 5y ago
  You can still have that even if it's open. There's literally nothing preventing them doing all that while letting others choose not to.
  - kergonath 5y ago
    You can’t, because no app can install other apps. So sandboxing would need to be significantly changed. Every big software publisher having its own store implies that our details will be stored in more databases, which increases the risk of hack or leak. The alternative would be to not get apps that we can currently get without risking much. It is hard to see this as a progress.
    - EvanAnderson 5y ago
      Google did this right with developer mode on Chrome OS. Flip a physical interlock and your device becomes simultaneously "yours" and untrusted by Google. Apple could do the same thing. They won't because the reason for the walled garden is revenue. The user privacy and security gambit conveniently aligns with generating revenue.

stale2002 5y ago

> The pretty obvious solution is to not buy Apple devices But there are other solutions. The other solution is that people are allowed to do what they want, with phones that they own. And you don't have to download other app stores, if you don't want to!

fartcannon 5y ago

I think the better solution is to persuade them to open up their computing devices.