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Cars&trucks cause a large majority of the pedestrians killed in walking-around-the-city accidents, though. Lumping those deaths in with highway deaths makes the

Cars&trucks cause a large majority of the pedestrians killed in walking-around-the-city accidents, though. Lumping those deaths in with highway deaths makes the statistic meaningless.

taneq 5y ago
Not if saving 5k pedestrians kills 10k highway drivers. (Numbers made up, I’m just saying you have to consider them.)
- Chico75 5y ago
  Why would design changes that improve visiblity to avoid killing pedestrians end up killing more highway drivers?
  - ttyprintk 5y ago
    From other threads, one might conclude that animal accidents in rural areas inspire some apprehension about wedge-profiled designs. In USA, 1m out of the 6m auto accidents each year involve one car and one animal, with a human death rate of 200 per year.
jessriedel 5y ago
No. That would only be potentially true if people were proposing a law to limit the form factor of trucks that are driven in cities (and even if so, it would not be obvious; you'd have to look at the numbers). Since that isn't feasible, and all the proposed laws are about limiting the form factor of all consumer trucks, the average statics are the relevant ones. You can always find a subpopulation where some effect is large; that can't be good reason to make rules that constrain the entire population.
- SECProto 5y ago
  Observation: bigger and heavier vehicles are safer for their occupants in any impact. Regulation: cars should be safer Impact: All vehicles continuously increase in size and weight year on year, decreasing the safety of older vehicles and non-vehicular road users
  - jessriedel 5y ago
    You have not responded to my rebuttal to what you said, you're just bringing up a different argument.
    - SECProto 5y ago
      Sure, I don't actually know what your argument is to rebut? I know many people who would like to buy a ford ranger sized truck, but manufacturers discontinued them a decade ago because fuel efficiency regulations disincentivized them.

Cars&trucks cause a large majority of the pedestrians killed in walking-around-the-city accidents, though. Lumping those deaths in with highway deaths makes the statistic meaningless.

taneq 5y ago

Not if saving 5k pedestrians kills 10k highway drivers. (Numbers made up, I’m just saying you have to consider them.)

Chico75 5y ago
Why would design changes that improve visiblity to avoid killing pedestrians end up killing more highway drivers?
- ttyprintk 5y ago
  From other threads, one might conclude that animal accidents in rural areas inspire some apprehension about wedge-profiled designs. In USA, 1m out of the 6m auto accidents each year involve one car and one animal, with a human death rate of 200 per year.

jessriedel 5y ago

No. That would only be potentially true if people were proposing a law to limit the form factor of trucks that are driven in cities (and even if so, it would not be obvious; you'd have to look at the numbers). Since that isn't feasible, and all the proposed laws are about limiting the form factor of all consumer trucks, the average statics are the relevant ones. You can always find a subpopulation where some effect is large; that can't be good reason to make rules that constrain the entire population.

SECProto 5y ago
Observation: bigger and heavier vehicles are safer for their occupants in any impact. Regulation: cars should be safer Impact: All vehicles continuously increase in size and weight year on year, decreasing the safety of older vehicles and non-vehicular road users
- jessriedel 5y ago
  You have not responded to my rebuttal to what you said, you're just bringing up a different argument.
  - SECProto 5y ago
    Sure, I don't actually know what your argument is to rebut? I know many people who would like to buy a ford ranger sized truck, but manufacturers discontinued them a decade ago because fuel efficiency regulations disincentivized them.