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Also, I live in a state (Massachusetts) that has passed two right-to-repair laws via ballot initiative. Both passed over intense opposition from the auto indus

Also, I live in a state (Massachusetts) that has passed two right-to-repair laws via ballot initiative. Both passed over intense opposition from the auto industry; almost all advertising in the lead up to the vote was in opposition. But it passed in both cases because... it's common sense. If you buy a product, it's yours and you should be able to do what you want with it, whether that means modifying the hardware or running whatever software you want.

3GuardLineups 5y ago
inb4 all the Apple shills who will claim they only ever want a product in a completely sandboxed environment where the device manufacturer holds their hand every step of the way
- katbyte 5y ago
  I live Apple and I want them to verify hardware, but I also want to ability to go “yes I k know this isn’t an apple screen/battery or said display has changed - use it anyways or register it”
  - simondotau 5y ago
    So then the dodgy repair shop just adds dismissal of that warning to their post-repair validation procedure and the consumer remains none the wiser.
- judge2020 5y ago
  My personal preference is that I want a product that has the description 'can only run software trusted by Apple', but I also want a product that 'can also run untrusted software', mainly because I can afford having two products that independently fit those descriptions, and I need the utmost security for my phone (which I ensure by trusting Apple). That's my consumer preference, and that's why I buy an iPhone, and I realize it's not for everyone, but I would rather have the option of a phone that fits that description. Imagine the iPhone didn't take off and had 5% marketshare - we wouldn't even be having this conversation since anyone against it would just hear "go buy the other devices that don't have this restriction" - which is still an option nowadays.
oneplane 5y ago
I suppose there are differences here, for example the root-of-trust of a car still isn't accessible to you; you can't run your own ECU firmware unless you jailbreak your ECU. Luckily, that is generally not the main 'feature' of the car, and for most people a car isn't a brain-extension with private and personal aspects. Keep in mind that this doesn't mean you shouldn't own or repair your stuff, but there are significant differences between products, and those differences aren't always clear.
matheusmoreira 5y ago
> But it passed in both cases because... it's common sense. Yeah. I don't even understand why we have to argue in favor of stuff like this. Somehow we ended up living in such a fucked up world where the things we purchase don't actually belong to us and we actually have to fight tooth and nail to make it sane again.

3GuardLineups 5y ago

inb4 all the Apple shills who will claim they only ever want a product in a completely sandboxed environment where the device manufacturer holds their hand every step of the way

katbyte 5y ago
I live Apple and I want them to verify hardware, but I also want to ability to go “yes I k know this isn’t an apple screen/battery or said display has changed - use it anyways or register it”
- simondotau 5y ago
  So then the dodgy repair shop just adds dismissal of that warning to their post-repair validation procedure and the consumer remains none the wiser.
judge2020 5y ago
My personal preference is that I want a product that has the description 'can only run software trusted by Apple', but I also want a product that 'can also run untrusted software', mainly because I can afford having two products that independently fit those descriptions, and I need the utmost security for my phone (which I ensure by trusting Apple). That's my consumer preference, and that's why I buy an iPhone, and I realize it's not for everyone, but I would rather have the option of a phone that fits that description. Imagine the iPhone didn't take off and had 5% marketshare - we wouldn't even be having this conversation since anyone against it would just hear "go buy the other devices that don't have this restriction" - which is still an option nowadays.

oneplane 5y ago

I suppose there are differences here, for example the root-of-trust of a car still isn't accessible to you; you can't run your own ECU firmware unless you jailbreak your ECU. Luckily, that is generally not the main 'feature' of the car, and for most people a car isn't a brain-extension with private and personal aspects. Keep in mind that this doesn't mean you shouldn't own or repair your stuff, but there are significant differences between products, and those differences aren't always clear.

matheusmoreira 5y ago

> But it passed in both cases because... it's common sense. Yeah. I don't even understand why we have to argue in favor of stuff like this. Somehow we ended up living in such a fucked up world where the things we purchase don't actually belong to us and we actually have to fight tooth and nail to make it sane again.