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The kind of ecosystem/business model that Apple has created is so fundamentally different from everything else that real world analogies just don't work. We sho
by BitwiseFool 5y ago
The kind of ecosystem/business model that Apple has created is so fundamentally different from everything else that real world analogies just don't work. We should avoid using them in this debate.
- slver 5y agoI wasn't using an analogy. I was literally talking about: if this is a law, how it'll ACTUALLY impact every business. If you think what Apple has created is different, again, define it. Let's see how it's fundamentally different and where the line is.
- cmeacham98 5y agoCan you please explain how you go from the hypothetical future of "Apple's 30% app store cut is found to be illegally anti-competitive" to "Walmart would be forced to allow random competitors to open stores physically inside them".
- slver 5y agoI was asking a question. (1) That we define what we mean, so... (2) We can analyze the impact. Here I'm going to do it again. What does it mean "30% store cut is illegally anti-competetive". What does that even mean? Why isn't Apple allowed to charge a fee for maintaining their own store? It's just entirely unclear what's the objection here. Is the objection Apple's cut is too big? Is 5% legal? Is 10%? Should it be 0%? How big should it be? What is everyone even saying? Or is everyone just whining about "big bad corporate is bad, punish bad corporate" and not thinking any deeper than this? Believe it or not, Walmart and all other grocery stores charge 50% for the same service. Even when you order online, actually. Should we sue them for this? If no, why. If yes, why? And the Walmart example came directly from Epic wanting to open a store inside iOS. You don't agree? Again, where's the definition that contradicts this interpretation. Define what you say, so it means something. Right now I just see bunch of emotion and absolutely nothing of substance being said.
- bussierem 5y agoParent does have a point here. His point is not that you can or should compare the two. We know they are different. But the LAW doesn't. How do you define in LEGAL terms how apple and WalMart are different? You can't use the word "ecosystem" like we throw around for apple because it is meaningless in legal terms. So first you need to either find an existing legal term and apply it or you need to make a new one. If you make a new one (because obviously Apples thing doesn't have a normal analogy) then you have to be VERRRRRY CAREFUL how you define it and what exact terms you use because whatever that is will be used and abused by precedence for decades to come.
- dsr_ 5y agoReal world analogies are crucial to the process of reasoning about economic relationships. It's also how lawyers argue and judges decide. Not using them is implausible.
- rictic 5y agoIt's more like, if you buy a Ford car, does Taco Bell owe 30% to Ford when you use their drive through? Or can Ford forbid Taco Bell from operating drive through stores of their own, and require Ford owners to go through Ford's own all purpose drive through stores?
- asda_ 5y agoI mean, you can use the amazon website on the iphone and circumvent all the limitations for example. They want to use the platform apple provides to create apps (good user experiences). So, this analogy doesn't seem apt to me
- Angostura 5y agoShould Taco Bell be legally required to let MacDonalds set up stall rent-free in their stores?
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- stale2002 5y agoThis is a false analogy. People who purchased a phone, own that phone. Apple doesn't own it anymore. Thats the difference. McDonald's own the store. But they don't own your car. And similarly, Apple does not own your phone, but they go to great efforts to prevent you from using other app stores.
- slver 5y agoYou own a phone yes. But you don’t own iOS. So take your own phone and install your own OS on it if that’s what you want.
- stale2002 5y agoOk, and people should be allowed to install whatever they want on their own hardware. We don't need to force Apple to put apps on its app store. Instead, people should be allowed to install whatever they want on the hardware that they own. > So take your own phone and install your own OS Or, instead of that, we could use the court system, to stop illegal anti-competitive practices, and require, by the existing law, that people are allowed to do what they want with their own phone.