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> Sexually suggestive content–and where to draw the line–is an area that is particularly complex to assess, as sexual suggestiveness is a spectrum that involves

> Sexually suggestive content–and where to draw the line–is an area that is particularly complex to assess, as sexual suggestiveness is a spectrum that involves some degree of personal interpretation of where the line falls This is just in general why I have an issue with prudeness in our society. I have no idea where prudeness comes from, is it innate to some people? Is it a taught trait? But it seems to cause so much discord and disagreement yet is inherently safe and peaceful.

robbrown451 5y ago
Probably it comes from the fact that humans are so naturally attracted to things sexual in nature, that without controls the whole world would look like the seediest red light district you can imagine. With everyone competing to be more and more extreme to get attention.
- msbarnett 5y ago
  citation needed
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  Let's imagine this is true - so what? Would people be unhappy? Would someone die? would people have less issues with their personal lives is sex expression wasn;t at troubles as it is?
  - robbrown451 5y ago
    I think it is a matter of preferences. More people would prefer it not be that way than would prefer it be that way. Probably people raising kids especially would rather not have explicit sexual stuff so in-your-face as it would likely be if we didn't have rules and societal standards about such things. I'm personally glad that my seven year old can use a computer and the web without being utterly bombarded with the type of stuff you'll see if you, say, stop over to the Pirate Bay or 4-chan or something. Then again, I'm glad I don't live in Victorian times where it is scandalous if a woman shows a little ankle. That doesn't mean people would die or that some arbitrary percentage of the population would cross some arbitrary level of unhappiness if it were your way. The world isn't so black and white. You presumably have different preferences. But you don't get to impose yours on the world just because you think they are better or more free or meet whatever ideals you have. We all kinda get to weigh in, and some sort of compromise is reached.
  - supergirl 5y ago
    would you say the same about violence? let’s allow people to be violent as is natural. sex is tied to violence and competition. look how it is with animals; males fight to death for a chance to mate. that’s how it will be more or less
    - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
      Think about the most violent organisations we have today: Mafia, drug cartels, etc. Are they fighting over sex? No, they are fighting over money. I am not buying this Catholic Church idea that "if there is gonna be too much sexual expression, suddenly violence will skyrocket" You know what could happen? It might reduce suicides, and they are 3 times more common than murder and nobody cares.
overtonwhy 5y ago
Because as you get older over time you can observe how this kind of "content" messes up young peoples' expectations about the average human body, instills a shallow and superficial mindset about relationships, and generally does absolutely nothing of value for anyone except the parasite who is manipulating ignorant or desperate people using sexuality for profit.
- bombcar 5y ago
  It’s strange how people will readily admit that advertising can cause unhealthy eating habits but sexual content can never cause unhealthy sexual habits.
evandale 5y ago
> I have no idea where prudeness comes from, is it innate to some people? This Vsauce video is one of my favorites. It's titled "Why Do We Wear Clothes?" and Michael explains why cultures may encourage modesty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4HGfagANiQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4HGfagANiQ
throway98752343 5y ago
> This is just in general why I have an issue with prudeness in our society. My brain reacts to sexual stimuli, as it evolved to. I don't want that reaction when I'm riding the metro, or in a work meeting, or having a family dinner. So it's helpful to have a set of social norms about when and where to expect and accept sexual content and when not to. > I have no idea where prudeness comes from, is it innate to some people? Is it a taught trait? It's cultural. Norms change, sometimes rapidly. In video games, sexy characters who used to be contentious have been commonplace for a while now, and this hot tub streams thing is just over the line. Maybe in a decade, softcore streamers will be normal but streaming hardcore sex will just over the line. > But it seems to cause so much discord and disagreement yet is inherently safe and peaceful. Is the "it" here prudery or provocation? Prudery is at one end of the spectrum with provocativeness on the other. There's almost no way you aren't prudish in some way. Prudery is usually about control but it's only bad when it can't be relaxed in private or when that control becomes a means of oppression.
- majewsky 5y ago
  > sexy characters who used to be contentious have been commonplace for a while now They have always been both.
swagasaurus-rex 5y ago
It's the reaction itself that's discordant. People put on a show. Others are drawn to watch. It's such a reliable mechanism that it can be monetized.
supergirl 5y ago
I don’t want my children to think it’s normal that girls on twitch are only there to make porn. does that make me prude?

robbrown451 5y ago

Probably it comes from the fact that humans are so naturally attracted to things sexual in nature, that without controls the whole world would look like the seediest red light district you can imagine. With everyone competing to be more and more extreme to get attention.

msbarnett 5y ago
citation needed
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
Let's imagine this is true - so what? Would people be unhappy? Would someone die? would people have less issues with their personal lives is sex expression wasn;t at troubles as it is?
- robbrown451 5y ago
  I think it is a matter of preferences. More people would prefer it not be that way than would prefer it be that way. Probably people raising kids especially would rather not have explicit sexual stuff so in-your-face as it would likely be if we didn't have rules and societal standards about such things. I'm personally glad that my seven year old can use a computer and the web without being utterly bombarded with the type of stuff you'll see if you, say, stop over to the Pirate Bay or 4-chan or something. Then again, I'm glad I don't live in Victorian times where it is scandalous if a woman shows a little ankle. That doesn't mean people would die or that some arbitrary percentage of the population would cross some arbitrary level of unhappiness if it were your way. The world isn't so black and white. You presumably have different preferences. But you don't get to impose yours on the world just because you think they are better or more free or meet whatever ideals you have. We all kinda get to weigh in, and some sort of compromise is reached.
- supergirl 5y ago
  would you say the same about violence? let’s allow people to be violent as is natural. sex is tied to violence and competition. look how it is with animals; males fight to death for a chance to mate. that’s how it will be more or less
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    Think about the most violent organisations we have today: Mafia, drug cartels, etc. Are they fighting over sex? No, they are fighting over money. I am not buying this Catholic Church idea that "if there is gonna be too much sexual expression, suddenly violence will skyrocket" You know what could happen? It might reduce suicides, and they are 3 times more common than murder and nobody cares.

overtonwhy 5y ago

Because as you get older over time you can observe how this kind of "content" messes up young peoples' expectations about the average human body, instills a shallow and superficial mindset about relationships, and generally does absolutely nothing of value for anyone except the parasite who is manipulating ignorant or desperate people using sexuality for profit.

bombcar 5y ago
It’s strange how people will readily admit that advertising can cause unhealthy eating habits but sexual content can never cause unhealthy sexual habits.

evandale 5y ago

> I have no idea where prudeness comes from, is it innate to some people? This Vsauce video is one of my favorites. It's titled "Why Do We Wear Clothes?" and Michael explains why cultures may encourage modesty. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4HGfagANiQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4HGfagANiQ

throway98752343 5y ago

> This is just in general why I have an issue with prudeness in our society. My brain reacts to sexual stimuli, as it evolved to. I don't want that reaction when I'm riding the metro, or in a work meeting, or having a family dinner. So it's helpful to have a set of social norms about when and where to expect and accept sexual content and when not to. > I have no idea where prudeness comes from, is it innate to some people? Is it a taught trait? It's cultural. Norms change, sometimes rapidly. In video games, sexy characters who used to be contentious have been commonplace for a while now, and this hot tub streams thing is just over the line. Maybe in a decade, softcore streamers will be normal but streaming hardcore sex will just over the line. > But it seems to cause so much discord and disagreement yet is inherently safe and peaceful. Is the "it" here prudery or provocation? Prudery is at one end of the spectrum with provocativeness on the other. There's almost no way you aren't prudish in some way. Prudery is usually about control but it's only bad when it can't be relaxed in private or when that control becomes a means of oppression.

majewsky 5y ago
> sexy characters who used to be contentious have been commonplace for a while now They have always been both.

swagasaurus-rex 5y ago

It's the reaction itself that's discordant. People put on a show. Others are drawn to watch. It's such a reliable mechanism that it can be monetized.

supergirl 5y ago

I don’t want my children to think it’s normal that girls on twitch are only there to make porn. does that make me prude?