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Waco? are you referring to the FBI?

dragontamer 5y ago
Good point. And there are many people today who still take the Branch Davidians's side in that shootout, furthering anti-government feelings today. Pro-gun groups believe that stockpiling of weapons is a holy right that should not be violated.
- abfan1127 5y ago
  Palestinians should would be better off with a stockpile of weapons... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnZSaKYmP2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnZSaKYmP2s
  - evgen 5y ago
    They had several stockpiles, including actual fucking short-range missiles. Didn't help them at all against a modern military force, did it? But you think the US Army is concerned about Bubba and his cache of AR-15s?
    - abfan1127 5y ago
      US Army continues to struggle to control Afghanistan. Russians failed to control.
      - wearywanderer 5y ago
        The Soviet Union at least had the excuse of having a conscript army and America arming the Afghanis with MANPADS. America's failure probably had more to do with nobody having any clue what the actual objective was.
        abfan1127 5y ago
        you're not wrong.
      - evgen 5y ago
        Everyone has struggled to control Afghanistan, including every Afghan government in history. Not going to hold it against them for doing better than most at the task, but not expecting control given the nature of the task and territory.
    - a3n 5y ago
      Sometimes "Bubba" is in the US Army. And yeah, the US Army is concerned about him.
wearywanderer 5y ago
The federal government framed themselves as the victims there, while the government gunmen were taking memento photos standing next to charred corpses. David Koresh was known to leave the compound to visit town regularly. The government could have and should have arrested him during one of these visits. Instead they chose to wage a small war (getting several of their own killed in the process.)
- dragontamer 5y ago
  When the Branch Divinians released some hostages (a number of children) who seemingly were sexually assaulted inside of the compound, that kind of forces the government negotiators to act. Nonetheless, my point is well supported by your argument. There are a huge number of Americans who were disillusioned by those events. The Waco Siege has been used multiple times as an "Excuse" for domestic terrorists to take lethal action on fellow Americans. Those particular Americans who were disillusioned by the attack are also a particular kind of people to stockpile weapons themselves. So yes, it makes sense to keep tabs on potential domestic terrorists who have grievances from that time.
  - wearywanderer 5y ago
    To be clear, I don't blame the federal government for break up that dangerous cult. But I think they deliberately went about it in a way they knew would result in a lot of violence. The siege had already been underway for weeks when those reports of abuse reached Janet Reno; the reports of abuse precipitated the final assault, not the siege itself. The siege started with arrest warrants for weapons charges.
    - frankfrankfrank 5y ago
      You may be interested in listening to this [1]. Both of you have a very shallow and, frankly, rather naive understanding of what happened there. It will likely shock you to learn what you were told about that event is not at all honest, to put it nicely. [1] https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/scott-horton-show-just-the-interviews/id545045867?i=1000519276396 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/scott-horton-show-just... There also seems to be rather expansive holes in both of your understandings about what the Oklahoma city Bombing was really about. I can't find the episode of the Scott Horton Show / Antiwar.org at the moment, but here is a very long primer [2] on the extremely suspect and irregular events surrounding the OKC bombing. Bonus: the head of the investigation of the OKC bombing was none other than Merrick Garland the current AG that is apparently going to now unleash a wholesale police surveillance state on us all that I bet many think will not target them … for now. [2] https://libertarianinstitute.org/author/richard-booth/ https://libertarianinstitute.org/author/richard-booth/
wearywanderer 5y ago
Also, the February 28th raid was the ATF, not the FBI. The FBI came in after the ATF lost that battle.

Good point. And there are many people today who still take the Branch Davidians's side in that shootout, furthering anti-government feelings today. Pro-gun groups believe that stockpiling of weapons is a holy right that should not be violated.

abfan1127 5y ago
Palestinians should would be better off with a stockpile of weapons... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnZSaKYmP2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnZSaKYmP2s
- evgen 5y ago
  They had several stockpiles, including actual fucking short-range missiles. Didn't help them at all against a modern military force, did it? But you think the US Army is concerned about Bubba and his cache of AR-15s?
  - abfan1127 5y ago
    US Army continues to struggle to control Afghanistan. Russians failed to control.
    - wearywanderer 5y ago
      The Soviet Union at least had the excuse of having a conscript army and America arming the Afghanis with MANPADS. America's failure probably had more to do with nobody having any clue what the actual objective was.
      - abfan1127 5y ago
        you're not wrong.
    - evgen 5y ago
      Everyone has struggled to control Afghanistan, including every Afghan government in history. Not going to hold it against them for doing better than most at the task, but not expecting control given the nature of the task and territory.
  - a3n 5y ago
    Sometimes "Bubba" is in the US Army. And yeah, the US Army is concerned about him.

wearywanderer 5y ago

The federal government framed themselves as the victims there, while the government gunmen were taking memento photos standing next to charred corpses. David Koresh was known to leave the compound to visit town regularly. The government could have and should have arrested him during one of these visits. Instead they chose to wage a small war (getting several of their own killed in the process.)

dragontamer 5y ago
When the Branch Divinians released some hostages (a number of children) who seemingly were sexually assaulted inside of the compound, that kind of forces the government negotiators to act. Nonetheless, my point is well supported by your argument. There are a huge number of Americans who were disillusioned by those events. The Waco Siege has been used multiple times as an "Excuse" for domestic terrorists to take lethal action on fellow Americans. Those particular Americans who were disillusioned by the attack are also a particular kind of people to stockpile weapons themselves. So yes, it makes sense to keep tabs on potential domestic terrorists who have grievances from that time.
- wearywanderer 5y ago
  To be clear, I don't blame the federal government for break up that dangerous cult. But I think they deliberately went about it in a way they knew would result in a lot of violence. The siege had already been underway for weeks when those reports of abuse reached Janet Reno; the reports of abuse precipitated the final assault, not the siege itself. The siege started with arrest warrants for weapons charges.
  - frankfrankfrank 5y ago
    You may be interested in listening to this [1]. Both of you have a very shallow and, frankly, rather naive understanding of what happened there. It will likely shock you to learn what you were told about that event is not at all honest, to put it nicely. [1] https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/scott-horton-show-just-the-interviews/id545045867?i=1000519276396 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/scott-horton-show-just... There also seems to be rather expansive holes in both of your understandings about what the Oklahoma city Bombing was really about. I can't find the episode of the Scott Horton Show / Antiwar.org at the moment, but here is a very long primer [2] on the extremely suspect and irregular events surrounding the OKC bombing. Bonus: the head of the investigation of the OKC bombing was none other than Merrick Garland the current AG that is apparently going to now unleash a wholesale police surveillance state on us all that I bet many think will not target them … for now. [2] https://libertarianinstitute.org/author/richard-booth/ https://libertarianinstitute.org/author/richard-booth/

wearywanderer 5y ago

Also, the February 28th raid was the ATF, not the FBI. The FBI came in after the ATF lost that battle.