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I wonder if they are going to look into congress? I wish I were making a joke but this seems like a problem that starts at the top. Nationally was it this bad
by ProAm 5y ago
I wonder if they are going to look into congress? I wish I were making a joke but this seems like a problem that starts at the top. Nationally was it this bad before the Trump administration?
- dragontamer 5y agoAll you youngsters don't remember the 90s. Waco Siege, Oklahoma City Bomber, North Hollywood shootout, Ruby Ridge. Columbine. Gang warfare. Before "Terrorists" were dudes from the Middle East, "Terrorism" were religious cults, anti-government forces, and bank-robbers who had huge-ass weapons. Domestic terrorism was way scarier, even as Al-Qaeda bombed the World Trade Center the 1st time in the early 90s, the other domestic events overtook our mindset. Now that Middle-East terrorism (ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc. etc.) seem to be on the decline (knock on wood), I'm not surprised to see the pendulum swing back to domestic terrorism.
- abfan1127 5y agoWaco? are you referring to the FBI?
- dragontamer 5y agoGood point. And there are many people today who still take the Branch Davidians's side in that shootout, furthering anti-government feelings today. Pro-gun groups believe that stockpiling of weapons is a holy right that should not be violated.
- abfan1127 5y agoPalestinians should would be better off with a stockpile of weapons... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnZSaKYmP2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnZSaKYmP2s
- evgen 5y agoThey had several stockpiles, including actual fucking short-range missiles. Didn't help them at all against a modern military force, did it? But you think the US Army is concerned about Bubba and his cache of AR-15s?
- abfan1127 5y agoUS Army continues to struggle to control Afghanistan. Russians failed to control.
- wearywanderer 5y agoThe Soviet Union at least had the excuse of having a conscript army and America arming the Afghanis with MANPADS. America's failure probably had more to do with nobody having any clue what the actual objective was.
- abfan1127 5y agoyou're not wrong.
- evgen 5y agoEveryone has struggled to control Afghanistan, including every Afghan government in history. Not going to hold it against them for doing better than most at the task, but not expecting control given the nature of the task and territory.
- a3n 5y agoSometimes "Bubba" is in the US Army. And yeah, the US Army is concerned about him.
- wearywanderer 5y agoThe federal government framed themselves as the victims there, while the government gunmen were taking memento photos standing next to charred corpses. David Koresh was known to leave the compound to visit town regularly. The government could have and should have arrested him during one of these visits. Instead they chose to wage a small war (getting several of their own killed in the process.)
- dragontamer 5y agoWhen the Branch Divinians released some hostages (a number of children) who seemingly were sexually assaulted inside of the compound, that kind of forces the government negotiators to act. Nonetheless, my point is well supported by your argument. There are a huge number of Americans who were disillusioned by those events. The Waco Siege has been used multiple times as an "Excuse" for domestic terrorists to take lethal action on fellow Americans. Those particular Americans who were disillusioned by the attack are also a particular kind of people to stockpile weapons themselves. So yes, it makes sense to keep tabs on potential domestic terrorists who have grievances from that time.
- wearywanderer 5y agoTo be clear, I don't blame the federal government for break up that dangerous cult. But I think they deliberately went about it in a way they knew would result in a lot of violence. The siege had already been underway for weeks when those reports of abuse reached Janet Reno; the reports of abuse precipitated the final assault, not the siege itself. The siege started with arrest warrants for weapons charges.
- frankfrankfrank 5y agoYou may be interested in listening to this [1]. Both of you have a very shallow and, frankly, rather naive understanding of what happened there. It will likely shock you to learn what you were told about that event is not at all honest, to put it nicely. [1] https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/scott-horton-show-just-the-interviews/id545045867?i=1000519276396 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/scott-horton-show-just... There also seems to be rather expansive holes in both of your understandings about what the Oklahoma city Bombing was really about. I can't find the episode of the Scott Horton Show / Antiwar.org at the moment, but here is a very long primer [2] on the extremely suspect and irregular events surrounding the OKC bombing. Bonus: the head of the investigation of the OKC bombing was none other than Merrick Garland the current AG that is apparently going to now unleash a wholesale police surveillance state on us all that I bet many think will not target them … for now. [2] https://libertarianinstitute.org/author/richard-booth/ https://libertarianinstitute.org/author/richard-booth/
- wearywanderer 5y agoAlso, the February 28th raid was the ATF, not the FBI. The FBI came in after the ATF lost that battle.
- mc32 5y agoThere was also the incident in Philadelphia by the FBI.
- mensetmanusman 5y agoIn the 70s there were hundreds of political bombings per year(in the us alone).
- DFHippie 5y agoDo you have reputable sources for that? There were political bombings, yes, but hundreds per year in the US? You need to back that up.
- mensetmanusman 5y agohttps://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/4501670/bombings-of-america-burrough/%3famp=true https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/4501670/bombings-of-am...