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Is it only Americans that see this as a problem? Let me be the first European to redundantly point out that sex is natural and nothing to be ashamed of. So what

by aj700 15y ago

Is it only Americans that see this as a problem? Let me be the first European to redundantly point out that sex is natural and nothing to be ashamed of. So what's the big deal? How many more years will it take the moral (majority?) to get over the way our bodies work.

_delirium 15y ago
I can't say for sure, but as a Greek-American living in Denmark, I don't think any of the three nationalities I have contact with would be particularly happy about a publicly broadcast log of every time they have sex, especially if they didn't realize it was happening. Sex might be natural, but publicly posting a sex-diary is unusual at best.
exit 15y ago
sex has more social implications than other body functions. e.g., someone notices their partner logs sexual activity shortly after "meeting with friends from work" every thursday. there are less dramatic examples any adult should be able to imagine. actually, i suspect you just jumped at the opportunity to parade how "progressive" you are.
- tommi 15y ago
  I don't see the problem of this. It's something you decided to share. Your example is pretty odd. Why would you log entries of your sexual activities which are not considered ok in your relationship? Sure, it can have social implications but I don't feel going overprotective on this. You should know where you log stuff which you consider sensitive.
aj700 15y ago
I think the graying out is a bit harsh for anything that gets negative points, but okay. The negative points, well, that seems to happen any time the state of the union (it's not so good) ie the state of the US, is mentioned by me. What % of users are American? Probably higher than I realised. In future I'll work on the theory that comments that work from a position of superiority don't get anywhere. They seem to make even leftcoasters and NY-ers leap to the defence of Alabamians' values. Surprising. Or do users just dislike any discussion of politics here? I was a libertarian uber-capitalist and totally pro-US, until, like most people, I noticed that the entire political class of most rich nations are working for the financial sector, which is not, by the way, the same as working for the technology sector. Now, I'm at least a leveller and pro a quite equal OUTCOME of income in a society. Way to go Dick Fuld (et al.) Who needs fascism when you've got an oligarchy of Wall St.
- LaGrange 15y ago
  Hey, darling, as a european feminist sex-neutral naturalist queer socialist, I tell you, you just replaced libertarianism with nationalism. Stop that. And now to the annoying part of telling you exactly why you're wrong: 1. Unless you're working for Berlusconi sharing your sex life details with your management and/or press is probably going to get you in trouble. Even in Europe. For some values of "Europe" it's more like "especially in Europe". 2. We're not living in a perfect world. In a perfect world, there would be no implicit difference between "I pronged a bell pepper today" and "I sneezed today," at least not in the "how much people would ridicule you for that" department. We are not living in a perfect world, deal with it. 3. Because of 2 and 1, there is a significant difference between the reasonable expectation of publicness of statements like "ate a cheeseburger, vigorous effort, 15 seconds" and statements like "sexual activity, active, vigorous effort, 5 seconds." Ignoring said difference make you an a... I mean, a person generally considered unpleasant. 4. Yeah, in Europe too.
  - aj700 15y ago
    I'll try to be brief. It'd be nice if you read your old comments, so that you see this. I'm not going to login to hackernewsers to contact you. I didn't (mean to) conflate nationalism (pro-US) and libertarianism. America is more libertarian than anywhere. It's obsessed with having a small state. I used to agree with that, the uber Thatcherism, anglo-saxon model. Now I don't. The Labour government embraced a caricature of being pro-business, leaving us with no stable banks. Even Lehman was doing its most suicidal and socially irresponsible stuff through it's London office while Gordon Brown kissed its ass. Nobody has disputed my point that governments are now mere facades of the banks behind the curtain. This revelation changes all politics, but the average voter hasn't noticed. My first reaction was "So fitbit allows me to lifelog and PROVE that I had 75 minutes of sex today". Sign me up! That's not a bug that's a feature. I don't care even if my grandmother can read it. She'll approve anyway. If facebook allowed you to do posts like x fucked y today, I'd love it much more. I know why people don't like that level of boasting and "over"sharing, which not even fetlife manages. It's because they don't see any status (or seek it) in broadcasting the fun you're having to the old schoolfriends in your friend list. I do. So they can see that I did grow up. Here's me in my private pool. Here's my model girlfriend. Yes, social networks ENABLE narcissism. It's only a bonus if the guys who bullied us are noticing this from their backbreaking job. 10 "I am only this way because have what YOU have made me." - Pink long-nurtured bitterness? insecure? arrivist? vainglorious? hypersexual? Guilty as charged. Unless you have some way of subverting the tendencies that are wired into human psychology. Goto 10.
roel_v 15y ago
Let me be the first European to apologize for the totally unfounded holier-than-thou post in the parent, and confirm that also in Europe it's complete abnormal to share a public log of your sex life ('abnormal' as in 'the vast majority of people don't do it and strongly object if they found out they had been doing it on accident', not as 'deemed clinically insane' or so). And if the parent disagrees, I challenge him/her to link to his/her log.

by aj700 15y ago

_delirium 15y ago

I can't say for sure, but as a Greek-American living in Denmark, I don't think any of the three nationalities I have contact with would be particularly happy about a publicly broadcast log of every time they have sex, especially if they didn't realize it was happening. Sex might be natural, but publicly posting a sex-diary is unusual at best.

exit 15y ago

sex has more social implications than other body functions. e.g., someone notices their partner logs sexual activity shortly after "meeting with friends from work" every thursday. there are less dramatic examples any adult should be able to imagine. actually, i suspect you just jumped at the opportunity to parade how "progressive" you are.

tommi 15y ago
I don't see the problem of this. It's something you decided to share. Your example is pretty odd. Why would you log entries of your sexual activities which are not considered ok in your relationship? Sure, it can have social implications but I don't feel going overprotective on this. You should know where you log stuff which you consider sensitive.

aj700 15y ago

I think the graying out is a bit harsh for anything that gets negative points, but okay. The negative points, well, that seems to happen any time the state of the union (it's not so good) ie the state of the US, is mentioned by me. What % of users are American? Probably higher than I realised. In future I'll work on the theory that comments that work from a position of superiority don't get anywhere. They seem to make even leftcoasters and NY-ers leap to the defence of Alabamians' values. Surprising. Or do users just dislike any discussion of politics here? I was a libertarian uber-capitalist and totally pro-US, until, like most people, I noticed that the entire political class of most rich nations are working for the financial sector, which is not, by the way, the same as working for the technology sector. Now, I'm at least a leveller and pro a quite equal OUTCOME of income in a society. Way to go Dick Fuld (et al.) Who needs fascism when you've got an oligarchy of Wall St.

LaGrange 15y ago
Hey, darling, as a european feminist sex-neutral naturalist queer socialist, I tell you, you just replaced libertarianism with nationalism. Stop that. And now to the annoying part of telling you exactly why you're wrong: 1. Unless you're working for Berlusconi sharing your sex life details with your management and/or press is probably going to get you in trouble. Even in Europe. For some values of "Europe" it's more like "especially in Europe". 2. We're not living in a perfect world. In a perfect world, there would be no implicit difference between "I pronged a bell pepper today" and "I sneezed today," at least not in the "how much people would ridicule you for that" department. We are not living in a perfect world, deal with it. 3. Because of 2 and 1, there is a significant difference between the reasonable expectation of publicness of statements like "ate a cheeseburger, vigorous effort, 15 seconds" and statements like "sexual activity, active, vigorous effort, 5 seconds." Ignoring said difference make you an a... I mean, a person generally considered unpleasant. 4. Yeah, in Europe too.
- aj700 15y ago
  I'll try to be brief. It'd be nice if you read your old comments, so that you see this. I'm not going to login to hackernewsers to contact you. I didn't (mean to) conflate nationalism (pro-US) and libertarianism. America is more libertarian than anywhere. It's obsessed with having a small state. I used to agree with that, the uber Thatcherism, anglo-saxon model. Now I don't. The Labour government embraced a caricature of being pro-business, leaving us with no stable banks. Even Lehman was doing its most suicidal and socially irresponsible stuff through it's London office while Gordon Brown kissed its ass. Nobody has disputed my point that governments are now mere facades of the banks behind the curtain. This revelation changes all politics, but the average voter hasn't noticed. My first reaction was "So fitbit allows me to lifelog and PROVE that I had 75 minutes of sex today". Sign me up! That's not a bug that's a feature. I don't care even if my grandmother can read it. She'll approve anyway. If facebook allowed you to do posts like x fucked y today, I'd love it much more. I know why people don't like that level of boasting and "over"sharing, which not even fetlife manages. It's because they don't see any status (or seek it) in broadcasting the fun you're having to the old schoolfriends in your friend list. I do. So they can see that I did grow up. Here's me in my private pool. Here's my model girlfriend. Yes, social networks ENABLE narcissism. It's only a bonus if the guys who bullied us are noticing this from their backbreaking job. 10 "I am only this way because have what YOU have made me." - Pink long-nurtured bitterness? insecure? arrivist? vainglorious? hypersexual? Guilty as charged. Unless you have some way of subverting the tendencies that are wired into human psychology. Goto 10.

roel_v 15y ago

Let me be the first European to apologize for the totally unfounded holier-than-thou post in the parent, and confirm that also in Europe it's complete abnormal to share a public log of your sex life ('abnormal' as in 'the vast majority of people don't do it and strongly object if they found out they had been doing it on accident', not as 'deemed clinically insane' or so). And if the parent disagrees, I challenge him/her to link to his/her log.