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If you don't ship then nobody can access your product. If your product is more expensive than fewer people can access your product.

fassssst 5y ago
And that’s the reason the modern world sucks for a lot of people. Imagine living in a world where people don’t design for you because it’s not economically worth it.
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
  I'm a Linux user. It sucks but you deal.
  - IanCal 5y ago
    Someone who is colourblind can't just switch to better supported eyes.
    - Google234 5y ago
      Some deaf people actually choose to remain deaf rather than use an implant.
      - IanCal 5y ago
        I'm not sure how why you think that is a relevant comment. The general point is that "I don't use a particular OS" is wildly different to "my body does not work that way".
- matz1 5y ago
  Likewise imagine living in a world where you are forced to do work where its not economically worth it, thats really sucks.
  - fassssst 5y ago
    Software generally has high margins. There’s no excuse.
    - matz1 5y ago
      Being paid a lot doesn't necessarily make the job less annoying.
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- robbrown451 5y ago
  Seems like it was far more that way in the pre-modern world.... even a few decades ago.
paxys 5y ago
In the physical world you can't just ignore safety and accessibility requirements because "hey, it's expensive and if I don't open then no one will be able to visit my business at all. Might as well serve some percent of the population." Websites shouldn't be any different.
- threatofrain 5y ago
  Financial access is an accessibility problem too. It makes sense to target the largest demographics by problem of access if you cannot help everyone. Also, when you have financial access issues, it implies that you have access issues for everything in life, including the basics like medical care.
- robbrown451 5y ago
  It depends. Safety... well that's different. But there are many physical products that can only be used by people without certain disabilities. For instance, cameras, mirrors, light bulbs and paintings require you to be sighted to get any utility from them. Headphones require you to be able to hear. Those might be extreme examples, but there are a huge number of things that you basically get zero utility out of if you don't have typical abilities in relevant areas. Should I not be allowed to sell a bicycle if I can't figure out a way to make it work for people who don't have 4 functioning limbs? Most web sites can be made accessible simply by making them work normally and reasonably... it's generally the browser's job (and various other things like screenreaders) to make them accessible, assuming the web developer isn't doing something particularly weirdly. Isn't it? It seems highly inefficient use of resources to have each site have to do a lot of work to support accessibility, especially if the sites are doing basic things like presenting documents. But if I make a web based paint program or charting app, what am I supposed to do for people who don't have sight? Does that even make sense?
  - IanCal 5y ago
    I think you should actually read about accessibility requirements. > Most web sites can be made accessible simply by making them work normally and reasonably... it's generally the browser's job (and various other things like screenreaders) to make them accessible, assuming the web developer isn't doing something particularly weirdly. Isn't it? It's not the browsers legal responsibility to do so, no. It's the responsibility of the business to do that.

fassssst 5y ago

And that’s the reason the modern world sucks for a lot of people. Imagine living in a world where people don’t design for you because it’s not economically worth it.

yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
I'm a Linux user. It sucks but you deal.
- IanCal 5y ago
  Someone who is colourblind can't just switch to better supported eyes.
  - Google234 5y ago
    Some deaf people actually choose to remain deaf rather than use an implant.
    - IanCal 5y ago
      I'm not sure how why you think that is a relevant comment. The general point is that "I don't use a particular OS" is wildly different to "my body does not work that way".
matz1 5y ago
Likewise imagine living in a world where you are forced to do work where its not economically worth it, thats really sucks.
- fassssst 5y ago
  Software generally has high margins. There’s no excuse.
  - matz1 5y ago
    Being paid a lot doesn't necessarily make the job less annoying.
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robbrown451 5y ago
Seems like it was far more that way in the pre-modern world.... even a few decades ago.

paxys 5y ago

In the physical world you can't just ignore safety and accessibility requirements because "hey, it's expensive and if I don't open then no one will be able to visit my business at all. Might as well serve some percent of the population." Websites shouldn't be any different.

threatofrain 5y ago
Financial access is an accessibility problem too. It makes sense to target the largest demographics by problem of access if you cannot help everyone. Also, when you have financial access issues, it implies that you have access issues for everything in life, including the basics like medical care.
robbrown451 5y ago
It depends. Safety... well that's different. But there are many physical products that can only be used by people without certain disabilities. For instance, cameras, mirrors, light bulbs and paintings require you to be sighted to get any utility from them. Headphones require you to be able to hear. Those might be extreme examples, but there are a huge number of things that you basically get zero utility out of if you don't have typical abilities in relevant areas. Should I not be allowed to sell a bicycle if I can't figure out a way to make it work for people who don't have 4 functioning limbs? Most web sites can be made accessible simply by making them work normally and reasonably... it's generally the browser's job (and various other things like screenreaders) to make them accessible, assuming the web developer isn't doing something particularly weirdly. Isn't it? It seems highly inefficient use of resources to have each site have to do a lot of work to support accessibility, especially if the sites are doing basic things like presenting documents. But if I make a web based paint program or charting app, what am I supposed to do for people who don't have sight? Does that even make sense?
- IanCal 5y ago
  I think you should actually read about accessibility requirements. > Most web sites can be made accessible simply by making them work normally and reasonably... it's generally the browser's job (and various other things like screenreaders) to make them accessible, assuming the web developer isn't doing something particularly weirdly. Isn't it? It's not the browsers legal responsibility to do so, no. It's the responsibility of the business to do that.