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The best I can piece together so far: * freenode was run by elected volunteers. * Lee stepped in to sponsor/fund the Freenode Live events * Some assets were

by soneil 5y ago

The best I can piece together so far: * freenode was run by elected volunteers. * Lee stepped in to sponsor/fund the Freenode Live events * Some assets were sold/transferred to Lee in the process of this * Former staff admin leaves, new staff admin is elected * New staff admin attempts to take control of assets they (reasonably) assume they should have control of * Lee (reasonably) perceives this as control of assets being taken away from him - it's at this point we discover more about which assets were sold/transferred. * Recent events driven by elected leadership discovering they're not actually leadership. Essentially freenode has had a leadership vacuum for some time, and has been perfectly comfortable with that. But nature abhors a vacuum .. You might note I have two groups marked as (reasonably) in opposite directions. As far as I can tell this is an information gap - what was sold/transferred was kept very, very quiet, so I do believe each side was behaving reasonably with the information available to them. So I believe what we're seeing this week, is what we would have seen during the actual sale, if these details were made remotely public at the time.

fapjacks 5y ago
It always comes down to money or power.
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kuschku 5y ago
Here is a continuous quote (nothing omitted except the start/end of conversation) from a discussion between Andrew Lee and me from 2017: [2017-08-03 11:48:56.616000] <rasengan_> justJanne: I like the way you think about a lot of things and doubly appreciate the fact that you share these thoughts so that others can know and understand the realities of them as well. But, I do want to emphasize that while I am in fact listed on some piece of paper for a couple of IRC networks, I am not in control of any. That's not only a promise made, and my word means so much, but it's a reality: I don't have an O. [Editor's note: O, or +O, means that the person is operator and has administrative control over the network] [2017-08-03 11:48:56.789000] <rasengan_> Whenever something comes up I don't get involved or don't even know. (ps: plz excuse my space bar i think there is something wrong wiht my driver) [2017-08-03 11:49:37.530000] <rasengan_> But the thing is IRC has alwasy been a glorious thing. The infra has always been sposnored by companies or people. But the great thing about IRC i s you can always vote and let the networks and world know which you choose - by using /server. [Editor's note: /server is a command used to switch from one network to another] [2017-08-04 21:48:37.553000] <rasengan_> I'm fully confident though if PIA were to show any kind of negative intentions, people would /quit fast. [Editor's note: /quit is a command to disconnect from a network] His statements that he had no control and would never have it were believed by staff all those years, but due to experience interacting with him I never did and have warned against this very scenario ever since the sale (which prompted above interaction).
- rasengan 5y ago
  Not wishing to and having to step in are two different things. I wish I didn’t have to sit on irc. There are a million things I’d rather be doing and I could be doing. But this is what must be done.

by soneil 5y ago

fapjacks 5y ago

It always comes down to money or power.

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kuschku 5y ago

Here is a continuous quote (nothing omitted except the start/end of conversation) from a discussion between Andrew Lee and me from 2017: [2017-08-03 11:48:56.616000] <rasengan_> justJanne: I like the way you think about a lot of things and doubly appreciate the fact that you share these thoughts so that others can know and understand the realities of them as well. But, I do want to emphasize that while I am in fact listed on some piece of paper for a couple of IRC networks, I am not in control of any. That's not only a promise made, and my word means so much, but it's a reality: I don't have an O. [Editor's note: O, or +O, means that the person is operator and has administrative control over the network] [2017-08-03 11:48:56.789000] <rasengan_> Whenever something comes up I don't get involved or don't even know. (ps: plz excuse my space bar i think there is something wrong wiht my driver) [2017-08-03 11:49:37.530000] <rasengan_> But the thing is IRC has alwasy been a glorious thing. The infra has always been sposnored by companies or people. But the great thing about IRC i s you can always vote and let the networks and world know which you choose - by using /server. [Editor's note: /server is a command used to switch from one network to another] [2017-08-04 21:48:37.553000] <rasengan_> I'm fully confident though if PIA were to show any kind of negative intentions, people would /quit fast. [Editor's note: /quit is a command to disconnect from a network] His statements that he had no control and would never have it were believed by staff all those years, but due to experience interacting with him I never did and have warned against this very scenario ever since the sale (which prompted above interaction).

rasengan 5y ago
Not wishing to and having to step in are two different things. I wish I didn’t have to sit on irc. There are a million things I’d rather be doing and I could be doing. But this is what must be done.