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There is not flaw in the system. Trees and large shrubs come down. Municipal compost sites have the space and equipment compost large amount of material that ho

There is not flaw in the system. Trees and large shrubs come down. Municipal compost sites have the space and equipment compost large amount of material that home owners can't deal with. The arrogance in this thread is unbelievable.

OminousWeapons 5y ago
Its because environmentalism is quite literally a religion for a subset of users on this forum and they cannot believe that other people don't want to optimize their entire life around reducing their carbon footprint. The attitude in this thread is even more ridiculous considering that this is the exact sort of product which could bring EVs main steam (so you would think environmentalists would love it), but of course this vehicle is unacceptable because you aren't forced to make a whole series of quality of life compromises to use it like you are with a bike, public transportation, or an impractically small car.
- beerandt 5y ago
  Religion requires penance, and there's no penance in a non-believer buying a quality product that they like based solely on its merit per value. If someone's not buying their EV out of a sense of guilt (for the original sin that is exhaling CO2), then how are they supposed to exploit that guilt into other forms of behavioral modification?
- realreality 5y ago
  People in the global south, who have a tiny fraction of the carbon footprint of those in the north, are the first to be devastated by the climate and ecological crises, which they're least responsible for. If you're considering shopping for your next $40k monstrosity of a vehicle, try to take a broader perspective than your own short-term desires.
  - OminousWeapons 5y ago
    Instead of harassing the ancestor for not perfectly optimizing their use of resources (which has zero impact on the climate one way or the other) or harassing me for suggesting that an 80/20 solution to a problem is better than no solution, perhaps you should try to take a broader perspective and realize that most people are selfish: they aren't going to massively sacrifice their quality of life in order to help people in the global south that they don't have relationships with. Aligning incentives to help them do the right thing (e.g. by creating a vehicle with a form factor they can readily accept while still being an EV) is the smart way to go at the problem. Brow beating people for not being totally altruistic and demanding they make massive cultural changes is the dumb, ineffective way to tackle the problem, although it does allow the participants to feel morally superior as they fail to convert anyone else to their cause.
realreality 5y ago
You can heat and cook with wood. If so much tree material is falling on your property every year, and you're carting it elsewhere, you're just throwing away a useful resource.

OminousWeapons 5y ago

Its because environmentalism is quite literally a religion for a subset of users on this forum and they cannot believe that other people don't want to optimize their entire life around reducing their carbon footprint. The attitude in this thread is even more ridiculous considering that this is the exact sort of product which could bring EVs main steam (so you would think environmentalists would love it), but of course this vehicle is unacceptable because you aren't forced to make a whole series of quality of life compromises to use it like you are with a bike, public transportation, or an impractically small car.

beerandt 5y ago
Religion requires penance, and there's no penance in a non-believer buying a quality product that they like based solely on its merit per value. If someone's not buying their EV out of a sense of guilt (for the original sin that is exhaling CO2), then how are they supposed to exploit that guilt into other forms of behavioral modification?
realreality 5y ago
People in the global south, who have a tiny fraction of the carbon footprint of those in the north, are the first to be devastated by the climate and ecological crises, which they're least responsible for. If you're considering shopping for your next $40k monstrosity of a vehicle, try to take a broader perspective than your own short-term desires.
- OminousWeapons 5y ago
  Instead of harassing the ancestor for not perfectly optimizing their use of resources (which has zero impact on the climate one way or the other) or harassing me for suggesting that an 80/20 solution to a problem is better than no solution, perhaps you should try to take a broader perspective and realize that most people are selfish: they aren't going to massively sacrifice their quality of life in order to help people in the global south that they don't have relationships with. Aligning incentives to help them do the right thing (e.g. by creating a vehicle with a form factor they can readily accept while still being an EV) is the smart way to go at the problem. Brow beating people for not being totally altruistic and demanding they make massive cultural changes is the dumb, ineffective way to tackle the problem, although it does allow the participants to feel morally superior as they fail to convert anyone else to their cause.

realreality 5y ago

You can heat and cook with wood. If so much tree material is falling on your property every year, and you're carting it elsewhere, you're just throwing away a useful resource.