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Probably would not be wise to guess or speculate and instead go by what I have actually said. The issue with services was because the previous team pulled our

Probably would not be wise to guess or speculate and instead go by what I have actually said. The issue with services was because the previous team pulled our mail server and all its contents. We had to abruptly get everything in place. As for the decentralizing - that’s what I’m into and the way to do it on irc is by ending reliance on a central domain name for the connection. It’s not decided yet but is something I have put out and requested for comments.

wut42 5y ago
Then explain your motives more clearly. Freenode used to be managed by a college of trusted people, and now? The issues with services I speak about wasn't related at all to mail either.
- rasengan 5y ago
  Freenode was staffed by volunteers but it was never managed by them. They were recruited by management. Let’s not rewrite history any further, please.
  - ex-fnstaffer 5y ago
    This is also simply untrue.
  - mynameisvlad 5y ago
    Who, exactly, is "management" here? And in what, exact specific, ways are they involved in freenode operations? As I said in another comment, the core of freenode is its servers and operators, both of whom have no real ties to freenode limited as they consist of sponsored servers and volunteers, respectively. By that nature alone, freenode limited doesn't seem to have any influence over either aside from owning the name and trademarks. So who exactly is "management" and what role do they have in the freenode network?
  - wut42 5y ago
    Really? Can you prove that? I've been on freenode since almost 18 years and there was no management, every head of staff after Lilo (so, Christel) was appointed by the staff, just like tomaw was.
  - danieldle 5y ago
    Obviously bullshit, freenode is older than your company, and when it was founded you were not even known. The IRC network freenode was ran by, managed by, developed by and loved by volunteers. You came in like a wrecking ball and destroyed it. Thank you, self-proclaimed saviour of IRC, for your continuing efforts in destroying it. Fortunately money doesn't buy you communities and doesn't buy you people, so compared to some proprietary solutions and companies, we can and will survive. Your freshly acquired toy, on the other hand, probably won't.
  - tallship 5y ago
    So, how many servers loaned to you by other parties have revoked those loans.... besides the email server you're whining about? How much of your network is actually left standing and operational after what? two days? Over ten thousand channels have been recreated on the network that is the successor to yours... in one day. How does that leave you feeling?
ex-fnstaffer 5y ago
As an ex-freenode staffer, this is simply untrue. You took over with zero transition plan, and no engagement with staff - none. You had had no involvement in the running of freenode until this week and had no relationship with any of the team. You marched in, announced that you were saving freenode from the "hostile takeover" of their own consensus-based, transparent, self-organisation, and SURPRISE they decided that they didn't want to work with a mystery absentee landlord who rocked up, proclaimed themselves, and demanded their land back with a team of lawyers. You have no track record on freenode, of working with the ex-staff team, and clearly don't understand the community. Why else would volunteers who have been working on a project for ACTUAL DECADES FOR FREE ALL WALK OUT OVERNIGHT? This is not what people do with things they love unless something very odd is happening. As far as I'm aware no-one damaged everything - and went to pains to leave in an orderly line. They just didn't want to work for you when you swooped in. You even had the head of staff working with you to let you figure out how your new toys work. Any damage to data or infrastructure is, I think, the responsibility of the management. Which if you are to be believed has been you for years anyway.
- sillysaurusx 5y ago
  Is it true that they pulled freenode’s mail server? I see lots of emotion here, and emotion is fine. But yanking someone’s existing infrastructure isn’t very nice. If that part isn’t true, though, then someone here is lying.
  - ex-fnstaffer 5y ago
    The mail server was working when the whole staff team resigned. What happened after then will have entirely been within the control of the freenode management, their administration, and their sponsors. Every ex-freenode staffer I have talked to has been exceptionally cautious about damaging the data and systems they tended for literal decades, and to my knowledge none were disrupted. I think here, you have to look to Andrew, ask what his transition plan was, and what he thought would happen when he started throwing lawyer's letters at the head of a functioning and healthy team of sysadmins and staff members who were happy to continue the job they'd been doing for years, for the community, indefinitely..
danieldle 5y ago
I see that you are spreading your falsehoods here, too. The issue with services was not due to the "previous team", but rather due to the sponsor pulling their box. The "previous team" had no access to them by that point. As you might have guessed, the sponsors had a gentlemen's agreement with previous staff and not with Freenode ltd. Now most of them obviously don't like sponsoring their boxes for your company, so they are pulling them. Stop lying, Andrew. If you would have approached this in a sane and respectful manner and not sent your bloodhounds out, you maybe wouldn't have inherited smoke and ashes.
- sillysaurusx 5y ago
  Leaving a project when you know that it will cause their infrastructure to collapse isn’t too professional. It seems pretty fair to characterize this as partly your fault, since, y’know, you caused it by leaving. I think both sides in this are acting bizarre. You’re talking like it’s an oath of allegiance rather than an irc server.
  - mynameisvlad 5y ago
    If you're being paid, sure. But volunteers are allowed to withdraw their support at any point in time for any reason under the sun. They have exactly zero obligation to anyone but themselves.
  - danieldle 5y ago
    It would not have collapsed at all. It simply disappeared because the sponsor of it was a sponsor of freenode, and didn't want to be a sponsor of Andrew Lee. This is entirely up to them and their decision, it is their box, their money.
  - scrps 5y ago
    OP stated the sponsor pulled the box after they no longer wanted to support freenode. How would the former staff have handled that more professionally? Begging the sponsor not revoke access? If I were a sponsor who found out a project I was donating resources to was taken over under questionable circumstances by someone with deep pockets I'd have done the same.
hluska 5y ago
It sounds to me like you killed a network but you're not mature enough to admit it so now you're grasping at straws in a futile attempt to look like a victim.
wut42 5y ago
So huh, not to speculate again, but: irc.porn -> tower.freenode.net irc.shells.net -> passion.freenode.net irc.bitcoin.com -> tildes.freenode.net irc.imperialfamily.com -> no change irc.blockexplorer.com -> dead irc.merryjane.com -> happytree.freenode.net irc.namebase.io -> gotham.freenode.net irc.marijane.org -> no change irc.letstoc.com -> niveus.freenode.net irc.lfa.com -> ace.freenode.net irc.voat.co -> redondo.freenode.net If you don't want to turn freenode onto ToC, then why all the servers of ToC are now freenode servers? (edit: formatting, added irc.voat.co which I forgot)

wut42 5y ago

Then explain your motives more clearly. Freenode used to be managed by a college of trusted people, and now? The issues with services I speak about wasn't related at all to mail either.

rasengan 5y ago
Freenode was staffed by volunteers but it was never managed by them. They were recruited by management. Let’s not rewrite history any further, please.
- ex-fnstaffer 5y ago
  This is also simply untrue.
- mynameisvlad 5y ago
  Who, exactly, is "management" here? And in what, exact specific, ways are they involved in freenode operations? As I said in another comment, the core of freenode is its servers and operators, both of whom have no real ties to freenode limited as they consist of sponsored servers and volunteers, respectively. By that nature alone, freenode limited doesn't seem to have any influence over either aside from owning the name and trademarks. So who exactly is "management" and what role do they have in the freenode network?
- wut42 5y ago
  Really? Can you prove that? I've been on freenode since almost 18 years and there was no management, every head of staff after Lilo (so, Christel) was appointed by the staff, just like tomaw was.
- danieldle 5y ago
  Obviously bullshit, freenode is older than your company, and when it was founded you were not even known. The IRC network freenode was ran by, managed by, developed by and loved by volunteers. You came in like a wrecking ball and destroyed it. Thank you, self-proclaimed saviour of IRC, for your continuing efforts in destroying it. Fortunately money doesn't buy you communities and doesn't buy you people, so compared to some proprietary solutions and companies, we can and will survive. Your freshly acquired toy, on the other hand, probably won't.
- tallship 5y ago
  So, how many servers loaned to you by other parties have revoked those loans.... besides the email server you're whining about? How much of your network is actually left standing and operational after what? two days? Over ten thousand channels have been recreated on the network that is the successor to yours... in one day. How does that leave you feeling?

ex-fnstaffer 5y ago

As an ex-freenode staffer, this is simply untrue. You took over with zero transition plan, and no engagement with staff - none. You had had no involvement in the running of freenode until this week and had no relationship with any of the team. You marched in, announced that you were saving freenode from the "hostile takeover" of their own consensus-based, transparent, self-organisation, and SURPRISE they decided that they didn't want to work with a mystery absentee landlord who rocked up, proclaimed themselves, and demanded their land back with a team of lawyers. You have no track record on freenode, of working with the ex-staff team, and clearly don't understand the community. Why else would volunteers who have been working on a project for ACTUAL DECADES FOR FREE ALL WALK OUT OVERNIGHT? This is not what people do with things they love unless something very odd is happening. As far as I'm aware no-one damaged everything - and went to pains to leave in an orderly line. They just didn't want to work for you when you swooped in. You even had the head of staff working with you to let you figure out how your new toys work. Any damage to data or infrastructure is, I think, the responsibility of the management. Which if you are to be believed has been you for years anyway.

sillysaurusx 5y ago
Is it true that they pulled freenode’s mail server? I see lots of emotion here, and emotion is fine. But yanking someone’s existing infrastructure isn’t very nice. If that part isn’t true, though, then someone here is lying.
- ex-fnstaffer 5y ago
  The mail server was working when the whole staff team resigned. What happened after then will have entirely been within the control of the freenode management, their administration, and their sponsors. Every ex-freenode staffer I have talked to has been exceptionally cautious about damaging the data and systems they tended for literal decades, and to my knowledge none were disrupted. I think here, you have to look to Andrew, ask what his transition plan was, and what he thought would happen when he started throwing lawyer's letters at the head of a functioning and healthy team of sysadmins and staff members who were happy to continue the job they'd been doing for years, for the community, indefinitely..

danieldle 5y ago

I see that you are spreading your falsehoods here, too. The issue with services was not due to the "previous team", but rather due to the sponsor pulling their box. The "previous team" had no access to them by that point. As you might have guessed, the sponsors had a gentlemen's agreement with previous staff and not with Freenode ltd. Now most of them obviously don't like sponsoring their boxes for your company, so they are pulling them. Stop lying, Andrew. If you would have approached this in a sane and respectful manner and not sent your bloodhounds out, you maybe wouldn't have inherited smoke and ashes.

sillysaurusx 5y ago
Leaving a project when you know that it will cause their infrastructure to collapse isn’t too professional. It seems pretty fair to characterize this as partly your fault, since, y’know, you caused it by leaving. I think both sides in this are acting bizarre. You’re talking like it’s an oath of allegiance rather than an irc server.
- mynameisvlad 5y ago
  If you're being paid, sure. But volunteers are allowed to withdraw their support at any point in time for any reason under the sun. They have exactly zero obligation to anyone but themselves.
- danieldle 5y ago
  It would not have collapsed at all. It simply disappeared because the sponsor of it was a sponsor of freenode, and didn't want to be a sponsor of Andrew Lee. This is entirely up to them and their decision, it is their box, their money.
- scrps 5y ago
  OP stated the sponsor pulled the box after they no longer wanted to support freenode. How would the former staff have handled that more professionally? Begging the sponsor not revoke access? If I were a sponsor who found out a project I was donating resources to was taken over under questionable circumstances by someone with deep pockets I'd have done the same.

hluska 5y ago

It sounds to me like you killed a network but you're not mature enough to admit it so now you're grasping at straws in a futile attempt to look like a victim.

wut42 5y ago

So huh, not to speculate again, but: irc.porn -> tower.freenode.net irc.shells.net -> passion.freenode.net irc.bitcoin.com -> tildes.freenode.net irc.imperialfamily.com -> no change irc.blockexplorer.com -> dead irc.merryjane.com -> happytree.freenode.net irc.namebase.io -> gotham.freenode.net irc.marijane.org -> no change irc.letstoc.com -> niveus.freenode.net irc.lfa.com -> ace.freenode.net irc.voat.co -> redondo.freenode.net If you don't want to turn freenode onto ToC, then why all the servers of ToC are now freenode servers? (edit: formatting, added irc.voat.co which I forgot)