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Besides discussing what happened, I wonder what IS going to happen. Right now every staffer introduced by rasengan isn't known by much, seems to be very new to
by wut42 5y ago
Besides discussing what happened, I wonder what IS going to happen. Right now every staffer introduced by rasengan isn't known by much, seems to be very new to freenode (and even at some times, struggling with managing the services). Some of the new staffers seems to be previous operators of Rizon[1], also known as the 4chan of IRC, which is a dubious move. One of them also seems to have been fired from it[2].
On "Freenode is FOSS"[3] post, there's a paragraph about decentralization. This essentially seems to be another Lee's project, "Tower of Chats"[4][5], which is like a sort of super-network with multiple more-or-less independent servers.
Is Lee's plan to merge Freenode and ToC ? Or merge Snoonet/IRC.com with Freenode ? Or merge them all together onto ToC ?
[1]: https://twitter.com/ariadneconill/status/1395347865271246853 https://twitter.com/ariadneconill/status/1395347865271246853
[2]: https://twitter.com/ariadneconill/status/1395667119778500611 https://twitter.com/ariadneconill/status/1395667119778500611
[3]: https://freenode.net/news/freenode-is-foss https://freenode.net/news/freenode-is-foss
[4]: https://letstoc.com https://letstoc.com
[5]: irc.imperialfamily.com
(edited to fix links)
- tptacek 5y agoThere's the further detail of Handshake, which Lee appears to be deeply involved in, which is a cryptocurrency that in essence claims the DNS roots as its own (part of the marketing strategy of Handshake appears to have been some sort of "airdrop" --- I'm not a cryptocurrency person and may be using that term wrong --- of coins to open source projects; I don't know if that's connected to the FOSS donations Lee keeps referencing). I've seen more than one person on HN express confusion about what "decentralizing" means in the context of Freenode's DNS, which seems to be the core of the controversy here, and do wonder myself whether this has something do with Handshake. (Handshake is a deeply silly project, but it's not at all clear to me whether it is or isn't implicated in this drama).
- wut42 5y agoOh. Interesting too. I read that Lee was involved in Handshake but handshake looks so silly to me that I didn't even envisage this. I've also raised the IRCd thing in another sub-thread, and I think that freenode adopting/developing a new IRCd (and publicly) could impair Lee's idea of merging Irc.com/Snoonet/Freenode onto ToC, since ToC seems to be running Unreal.
- rasengan 5y agoNone of the donations Handshake made (136m) are being claimed as donations I made. The millions I have donated I did both personally and thru a wholly owned company. As I said before, attacking donations is sending a chilling effect in the FOSS community and to sponsors.
- vore 5y agoI daresay your patronizing tone is hardly helping your case.
- rasengan 5y agoThat’s a personal message to tptacek who has a history of replying to my comments.
- mynameisvlad 5y agoA personal message that can be read and responded to by everybody. If you want to send tptacek a personal message, their email is plainly listed in their profile. You don't need to air out your beef in the public, and all it does is lower your credibility to do so.
- hluska 5y agoIn any of your travels have you ever heard of email?? Thomas' email address is clearly listed in his profile. Airing this beef like this has killed any credibility you have. Be better?
- pandem 5y agoAs the CEO do you happen to know where I can send a GDPR request? I tried policy@freenode.net which was mentioned on the website but it is not working. Address not found Your message wasn't delivered to policy@freenode.net because the address couldn't be found, or is unable to receive mail.
- Macha 5y ago
- floatingatoll 5y agoThe usage of that term is correct. It's interchangeable with "giveaway".
- rasengan 5y agoProbably would not be wise to guess or speculate and instead go by what I have actually said. The issue with services was because the previous team pulled our mail server and all its contents. We had to abruptly get everything in place. As for the decentralizing - that’s what I’m into and the way to do it on irc is by ending reliance on a central domain name for the connection. It’s not decided yet but is something I have put out and requested for comments.
- wut42 5y agoThen explain your motives more clearly. Freenode used to be managed by a college of trusted people, and now? The issues with services I speak about wasn't related at all to mail either.
- rasengan 5y agoFreenode was staffed by volunteers but it was never managed by them. They were recruited by management. Let’s not rewrite history any further, please.
- ex-fnstaffer 5y agoThis is also simply untrue.
- mynameisvlad 5y agoWho, exactly, is "management" here? And in what, exact specific, ways are they involved in freenode operations? As I said in another comment, the core of freenode is its servers and operators, both of whom have no real ties to freenode limited as they consist of sponsored servers and volunteers, respectively. By that nature alone, freenode limited doesn't seem to have any influence over either aside from owning the name and trademarks. So who exactly is "management" and what role do they have in the freenode network?
- wut42 5y agoReally? Can you prove that? I've been on freenode since almost 18 years and there was no management, every head of staff after Lilo (so, Christel) was appointed by the staff, just like tomaw was.
- ve55 5y agoWorth noting that the Rizon-related tweet that you cited is most definitely false and zero opers have moved or been added that match that criterion recently.