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I'm not sure what you are arguing at this point? Do you acknowledge that the modern conservative movement has embraced conspiratorial thinking and lies in a way

by neaden 5y ago

I'm not sure what you are arguing at this point? Do you acknowledge that the modern conservative movement has embraced conspiratorial thinking and lies in a way that the liberal movement in the US hasn't? If so your pivot to saying that I need to hold my representatives feet to the fire is very odd, since the reason my congressional representatives can't pass legislation is due to Republican obstructionism, not because of AOC's twitter account.

willcipriano 5y ago
> since the reason my congressional representatives can't pass legislation is due to Republican obstructionism, not because of AOC's twitter account Democrats can end the filibuster if they wish, however if the emperor actually has no clothes like I and grandparent suggest that would make it obvious.
- neaden 5y ago
  The parent comment was saying that there was too much partisanship, you are saying the way to solve this issue is by getting rid of the filibuster? Or that if the democrats got rid of the filibuster it would prove they weren't partisan? That makes no sense whatsoever, it's essentially arguing that the democrats need to be more partisan.
  - willcipriano 5y ago
    > you are saying the way to solve this issue is by getting rid of the filibuster? Yes. If the party that wins gets to drive then they will be responsible for the direction the country is headed in. After a few years, If people like that direction they will vote for them, if not they won't. The current system let's them blame the other guy every time they fail to do what they promised, the new one makes it clear that it just wasn't a priority for them. One way to limit partisanship is to work together, another way is to have one party win and be accountable, knowing that they will be replaced if they don't perform.
    - mannykannot 5y ago
      > ...another way is to have one party win and be accountable, knowing that they will be replaced if they don't perform. Which brings us right back to TFA, with the govenor attempting to avoid accountability through what amounts to barefaced lies. If tactics like this are successful - and they seem to be unreasonably effective - then your alternative here will not come to pass.
sixothree 5y ago
Taking you down rabbit holes _away_ from their argument is a method modern conservatives have perfected.
- enraged_camel 5y ago
  It is what-aboutism all the way down. :)

by neaden 5y ago

willcipriano 5y ago

> since the reason my congressional representatives can't pass legislation is due to Republican obstructionism, not because of AOC's twitter account Democrats can end the filibuster if they wish, however if the emperor actually has no clothes like I and grandparent suggest that would make it obvious.

neaden 5y ago
The parent comment was saying that there was too much partisanship, you are saying the way to solve this issue is by getting rid of the filibuster? Or that if the democrats got rid of the filibuster it would prove they weren't partisan? That makes no sense whatsoever, it's essentially arguing that the democrats need to be more partisan.
- willcipriano 5y ago
  > you are saying the way to solve this issue is by getting rid of the filibuster? Yes. If the party that wins gets to drive then they will be responsible for the direction the country is headed in. After a few years, If people like that direction they will vote for them, if not they won't. The current system let's them blame the other guy every time they fail to do what they promised, the new one makes it clear that it just wasn't a priority for them. One way to limit partisanship is to work together, another way is to have one party win and be accountable, knowing that they will be replaced if they don't perform.
  - mannykannot 5y ago
    > ...another way is to have one party win and be accountable, knowing that they will be replaced if they don't perform. Which brings us right back to TFA, with the govenor attempting to avoid accountability through what amounts to barefaced lies. If tactics like this are successful - and they seem to be unreasonably effective - then your alternative here will not come to pass.

sixothree 5y ago

Taking you down rabbit holes _away_ from their argument is a method modern conservatives have perfected.

enraged_camel 5y ago
It is what-aboutism all the way down. :)