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These are not independent malicious actors. These are researchers and students at a University. FUD does not serve any purpose here. And for full disclosure, I

These are not independent malicious actors. These are researchers and students at a University. FUD does not serve any purpose here. And for full disclosure, I'm one of the four authors of the original complaint to IEEE back in December about the research. I fully believe all the facts have been put forth and there is no reason to spread misinformation about the incident.

finnthehuman 5y ago
>These are not independent malicious actors. These are researchers and students at a University. They wanted to prove that others are too trusting, they got exactly what they wanted: heightened suspicion to things that are normally expected to be done in good faith. I understand that inside the academic world the status imparted by "researchers and students at a University" is significant and important. For those of us outside the academic world, it's prudent and has no downside for us to drop our perception of them below the floor you'll continue granting them.
- hinkley 5y ago
  This situation is in combination with the longstanding disconnect between academic researchers and applied sciences folks. I say “disconnect” as if that were a two way street, but most of the spherical cow thinkers are on the academic side. People doing real work bristle at their lack of exposure to reality. I worked while still in school and the difference was literally and figuratively night and day. I quickly became an informed consumer and it meant that sometimes in class I was sitting on my hands to keep from disagreeing with the teachers about why something is done a certain way. It was shocking how often they were wrong, and occasionally ass backward. Ultimately I couldn’t get out of there fast enough. But season this old recipe heavily with some “fuck around and find out” and things get pretty spicy.
  - coldpie 5y ago
    The fact that this paper was in the best 5% of papers submitted to this IEEE conference[1] tells you all you need to know about academia. [1] https://www.ieee-security.org/TC/SP2021/downloads/2021_PC_Statement.pdf https://www.ieee-security.org/TC/SP2021/downloads/2021_PC_St...

finnthehuman 5y ago

>These are not independent malicious actors. These are researchers and students at a University. They wanted to prove that others are too trusting, they got exactly what they wanted: heightened suspicion to things that are normally expected to be done in good faith. I understand that inside the academic world the status imparted by "researchers and students at a University" is significant and important. For those of us outside the academic world, it's prudent and has no downside for us to drop our perception of them below the floor you'll continue granting them.

hinkley 5y ago
This situation is in combination with the longstanding disconnect between academic researchers and applied sciences folks. I say “disconnect” as if that were a two way street, but most of the spherical cow thinkers are on the academic side. People doing real work bristle at their lack of exposure to reality. I worked while still in school and the difference was literally and figuratively night and day. I quickly became an informed consumer and it meant that sometimes in class I was sitting on my hands to keep from disagreeing with the teachers about why something is done a certain way. It was shocking how often they were wrong, and occasionally ass backward. Ultimately I couldn’t get out of there fast enough. But season this old recipe heavily with some “fuck around and find out” and things get pretty spicy.
- coldpie 5y ago
  The fact that this paper was in the best 5% of papers submitted to this IEEE conference[1] tells you all you need to know about academia. [1] https://www.ieee-security.org/TC/SP2021/downloads/2021_PC_Statement.pdf https://www.ieee-security.org/TC/SP2021/downloads/2021_PC_St...