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Old oil is processed and re-used (as cheaper oil, or for heating). Lead-acid batteries have practically all of the lead re-used. I'm not sure where the acid its

by ppf 5y ago

Old oil is processed and re-used (as cheaper oil, or for heating). Lead-acid batteries have practically all of the lead re-used. I'm not sure where the acid itself, nor coolant, goes, but they're not the most damaging of pollutants. >one of the hundreds of parts that needs replacing every X amount of time in an ICE Yep, it's usually one of the electronic parts, which is why I have no faith that EVs will be significantly more reliable.

FriedrichN 5y ago
> Old oil is processed and re-used (as cheaper oil, or for heating) Or illegally dumped if we follow OPs cynical reasoning. > it's usually one of the electronic parts I didn't know tubes, gaskets, seals, clutches, oil filters, spark plugs, fuel pumps, radiators, alternators were electronic parts. I am not claiming EVs are perfect but to propose classical ICE vehicles are somehow much better simply does not make any sense. To exist as a modern human is to have an impact on your environment.
- ppf 5y ago
  Those are all relatively inert parts, and scrap steel and aluminium is relatively easily extracted. I didn't set out to argue that ICE vehicles are much better (although, honestly, I think it might be a defensible position), but the waste products from an end-of-life EV are significantly more damaging than those from an ICE.
  - natch 5y ago
    On what evidence are you basing that last assertion?
    - ppf 5y ago
      An end-of-life EV = an end-of-life ICE - a block of metal + a large lithium battery pack.
      - natch 5y ago
        I think you are resting your argument on the assumption that a large lithium battery pack is a damaging thing then. I would then ask if there is any evidence behind this assumption.
        ppf 5y ago
        The contents of said battery pack? I suppose they are relatively inert, if you just dumped it into landfill. But then that's still much worse than ICE engines, which can be very easily recycled.
audunw 5y ago
I know lots of people with EVs, and never heard of a problem related to the EV drivetrain. It does happen, but most problems by far seem to be related to things other than the drivetrain. I've had a problem with 12V lead acid battery going dead too soon due to the ECU causing vampire drain, replaced on warranty though. Not related to EV drivetrain of course. For the particular EV I have, I've heard of problems with the gearbox, due to the parking break being implemented in the gearbox. That's a design left over from ICE version of the car, most (all?) new EV models don't have that. All indications I've seen so far is that EVs drivetrains are more reliable. And we have 10 year old EVs on the road now. Cars are getting more complex in general, so there may be lots of other things that can break. But it's the same with ICE cars, you just get all the extra parts needed for an ICE engine in addition. If I look up most commonly replaced car parts, around half are ICE-only. And break pads needs more frequent replacement on ICE cars.
- ppf 5y ago
  The ECU is an integral part of the drivetrain.

by ppf 5y ago

FriedrichN 5y ago

> Old oil is processed and re-used (as cheaper oil, or for heating) Or illegally dumped if we follow OPs cynical reasoning. > it's usually one of the electronic parts I didn't know tubes, gaskets, seals, clutches, oil filters, spark plugs, fuel pumps, radiators, alternators were electronic parts. I am not claiming EVs are perfect but to propose classical ICE vehicles are somehow much better simply does not make any sense. To exist as a modern human is to have an impact on your environment.

ppf 5y ago
Those are all relatively inert parts, and scrap steel and aluminium is relatively easily extracted. I didn't set out to argue that ICE vehicles are much better (although, honestly, I think it might be a defensible position), but the waste products from an end-of-life EV are significantly more damaging than those from an ICE.
- natch 5y ago
  On what evidence are you basing that last assertion?
  - ppf 5y ago
    An end-of-life EV = an end-of-life ICE - a block of metal + a large lithium battery pack.
    - natch 5y ago
      I think you are resting your argument on the assumption that a large lithium battery pack is a damaging thing then. I would then ask if there is any evidence behind this assumption.
      - ppf 5y ago
        The contents of said battery pack? I suppose they are relatively inert, if you just dumped it into landfill. But then that's still much worse than ICE engines, which can be very easily recycled.

audunw 5y ago

I know lots of people with EVs, and never heard of a problem related to the EV drivetrain. It does happen, but most problems by far seem to be related to things other than the drivetrain. I've had a problem with 12V lead acid battery going dead too soon due to the ECU causing vampire drain, replaced on warranty though. Not related to EV drivetrain of course. For the particular EV I have, I've heard of problems with the gearbox, due to the parking break being implemented in the gearbox. That's a design left over from ICE version of the car, most (all?) new EV models don't have that. All indications I've seen so far is that EVs drivetrains are more reliable. And we have 10 year old EVs on the road now. Cars are getting more complex in general, so there may be lots of other things that can break. But it's the same with ICE cars, you just get all the extra parts needed for an ICE engine in addition. If I look up most commonly replaced car parts, around half are ICE-only. And break pads needs more frequent replacement on ICE cars.

ppf 5y ago
The ECU is an integral part of the drivetrain.