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No, I want a solution that deters domain squatters and is overall better for most people. Maybe, there should just be a cap on how many domains one can own at a

by rooshdi 15y ago

No, I want a solution that deters domain squatters and is overall better for most people. Maybe, there should just be a cap on how many domains one can own at a time. But domainers would probably complain about that too and make some hypocritical remarks about how this restricts their internet rights, when what they do restricts the internet even worse. You're just ignorant and want to complain, you don't want a solution, you want to just be better off for yourself. I think this statement represents domainers such as you perfectly. May I ask, can you name one benefit domainers provide to people?

ohashi 15y ago
You don't have a better solution, plenty of companies have enormous portfolios of domains. This also wouldn't free up the better names, the best ones would simply be allocated into different management companies, only the marginally profitable ones would be let go. There is no shortage of domains and nobody is restricting anyone's right to a domain. Just because I own a name doesn't mean you've lost a right to domains, you have the exact same rights you always did, the freedom to register a domain that nobody else has purchased. The same position everyone else is in, equally. You have not proposed any objective way to measure and define better. Utility in a real market is hard if not impossible to measure. You think it's your right to have a better domain name? It's not. Welcome to capitalism, where a free market dictates how resources are used. But they are blocking valuable startups you say. If the company is actually viable and successful they can surely purchase it when their utility is greater than the current owner. That's the beauty of capitalism. When someone else's utility is greater than my own, they can purchase my asset and it becomes theirs. Simple. May I ask why I have to use my capital for YOUR benefit? Since it's mine, I can do whatever I want with it. That's the nature of capitalism and freedom. Just because you don't like or even agree with what I do doesn't mean the system is broken. You ask for the same protections, if not more, for your own assets, but want to take others' protections away. Your arguments, if they can even be considered such, boil down to "you suck, it's unfair someone has the name I rightfully deserve for no apparent reason other than I want it, and we should change the system so I get what I want." Go try that in the nicer area of your city/state/province with a lot of vacation rentals. Tell a homeowner that you need that property more than they do because they have another home and how it's more fair that you get it.
- rooshdi 15y ago
  Tell a homeowner that you need that property more than they do because they have another home and how it's more fair that you get it. Your real estate analogy is a flawed one, especially in today's domain environment. A more accurate analogy would be an overpopulation of people (financially stable mind you) forced to live in cardboard boxes due to real estate investors buying up neighborhoods of good homes, bumping up their prices, and not returning phone calls. Plus, real estate investors in the real world at least try to maintain their property and improve it through actual work. Domainers just park pages. May I ask why I have to use my capital for YOUR benefit? Since it's mine, I can do whatever I want with it. That's the nature of capitalism and freedom. Just because you don't like or even agree with what I do doesn't mean the system is broken. Just because something is a product of capitalism doesn't mean it can't be broken by selfish extremists. How do you think we got in this recent financial fiasco? One word, greed. Sometimes there needs to certain measures of regulation to ensure individuals are not taking advantage of the system at the expense of others. That is all I'm saying. There comes a point when a foot has to be put down after a certain threshold, especially when the majority of people in a system are being hurt by these extremists.
  - ohashi 15y ago
    Except nobody is being hurt in this case. There are infinite available domains for all intents and purposes. The real estate analogy is fine, you just don't live in the really nice neighborhood. You live in a cheaper one. Or perhaps in a .info ghetto. You still have a house, it's just not a mansion on the beach. Unless you pay for it. People aren't harmed by not having a the best domain available.
    - rooshdi 15y ago
      Except nobody is being hurt in this case. Tell that to these people: http://ask.metafilter.com/144210/Buying-a-domain-namefor-the-children http://ask.metafilter.com/144210/Buying-a-domain-namefor-the... http://www.elscottharrell.com/2008/08/domainers-suck.html http://www.elscottharrell.com/2008/08/domainers-suck.html http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/www-domainduck-com-domain-squatting-245067/ http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/www-domai... http://thomasfreudenberg.com/blog/archive/2005/12/10/cyber-squatters-suck.aspx http://thomasfreudenberg.com/blog/archive/2005/12/10/cyber-s... http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=719440 http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=719440 etc, etc, etc.

by rooshdi 15y ago

ohashi 15y ago

You don't have a better solution, plenty of companies have enormous portfolios of domains. This also wouldn't free up the better names, the best ones would simply be allocated into different management companies, only the marginally profitable ones would be let go. There is no shortage of domains and nobody is restricting anyone's right to a domain. Just because I own a name doesn't mean you've lost a right to domains, you have the exact same rights you always did, the freedom to register a domain that nobody else has purchased. The same position everyone else is in, equally. You have not proposed any objective way to measure and define better. Utility in a real market is hard if not impossible to measure. You think it's your right to have a better domain name? It's not. Welcome to capitalism, where a free market dictates how resources are used. But they are blocking valuable startups you say. If the company is actually viable and successful they can surely purchase it when their utility is greater than the current owner. That's the beauty of capitalism. When someone else's utility is greater than my own, they can purchase my asset and it becomes theirs. Simple. May I ask why I have to use my capital for YOUR benefit? Since it's mine, I can do whatever I want with it. That's the nature of capitalism and freedom. Just because you don't like or even agree with what I do doesn't mean the system is broken. You ask for the same protections, if not more, for your own assets, but want to take others' protections away. Your arguments, if they can even be considered such, boil down to "you suck, it's unfair someone has the name I rightfully deserve for no apparent reason other than I want it, and we should change the system so I get what I want." Go try that in the nicer area of your city/state/province with a lot of vacation rentals. Tell a homeowner that you need that property more than they do because they have another home and how it's more fair that you get it.

rooshdi 15y ago
Tell a homeowner that you need that property more than they do because they have another home and how it's more fair that you get it. Your real estate analogy is a flawed one, especially in today's domain environment. A more accurate analogy would be an overpopulation of people (financially stable mind you) forced to live in cardboard boxes due to real estate investors buying up neighborhoods of good homes, bumping up their prices, and not returning phone calls. Plus, real estate investors in the real world at least try to maintain their property and improve it through actual work. Domainers just park pages. May I ask why I have to use my capital for YOUR benefit? Since it's mine, I can do whatever I want with it. That's the nature of capitalism and freedom. Just because you don't like or even agree with what I do doesn't mean the system is broken. Just because something is a product of capitalism doesn't mean it can't be broken by selfish extremists. How do you think we got in this recent financial fiasco? One word, greed. Sometimes there needs to certain measures of regulation to ensure individuals are not taking advantage of the system at the expense of others. That is all I'm saying. There comes a point when a foot has to be put down after a certain threshold, especially when the majority of people in a system are being hurt by these extremists.
- ohashi 15y ago
  Except nobody is being hurt in this case. There are infinite available domains for all intents and purposes. The real estate analogy is fine, you just don't live in the really nice neighborhood. You live in a cheaper one. Or perhaps in a .info ghetto. You still have a house, it's just not a mansion on the beach. Unless you pay for it. People aren't harmed by not having a the best domain available.
  - rooshdi 15y ago
    Except nobody is being hurt in this case. Tell that to these people: http://ask.metafilter.com/144210/Buying-a-domain-namefor-the-children http://ask.metafilter.com/144210/Buying-a-domain-namefor-the... http://www.elscottharrell.com/2008/08/domainers-suck.html http://www.elscottharrell.com/2008/08/domainers-suck.html http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/www-domainduck-com-domain-squatting-245067/ http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/www-domai... http://thomasfreudenberg.com/blog/archive/2005/12/10/cyber-squatters-suck.aspx http://thomasfreudenberg.com/blog/archive/2005/12/10/cyber-s... http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=719440 http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=719440 etc, etc, etc.