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once you correct for dui, speeding, driving tired and filter by vehicle types driving a car is pretty safe, that is, if one is not in the problem cohort one can

once you correct for dui, speeding, driving tired and filter by vehicle types driving a car is pretty safe, that is, if one is not in the problem cohort one can have a pretty low risk of crashing.

chrisseaton 5y ago
Number of people killed on the roads every year due to cyber attack: 0 Number of people killed on the roads every year due to normal crashes: 1,350,000 If you're optimising to reduce risk of the former at the significant expense of increasing risk of the latter... I think you're a fool.
- Bancakes 5y ago
  Number of people killed on the roads every year due to cyber attack: 0 Number of cars that should have complex, proprietary, hackable software: 0 It's a regress
- chopin 5y ago
  > Number of people killed on the roads every year due to cyber attack: 0 How do you know this? The beauty of a cyber attack is that it can be made elusive. And the number of people killed on the roads by failing software is certainly not 0.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    I think it's a super-reasonable guess that it's approximately zero. Maybe it's a thousand if you're super imaginative? I think you'd really struggle to make a serious argument that it was a bigger risk.
- avereveard 5y ago
  First of all, that wasn't my claim. Second, the amount of circulating car that might be a vector for a cyberattack is so small that the 0 in the statistic could very well fall in the range of expected deaths when corrected for other factors. I.e. if there's one vulnerable car every million 0 is what you'd expect deaths to be, not an astounding result.
- themaninthedark 5y ago
  Remember Michael Hastings? https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/wikileaks-vault-7-dump-reignites-conspiracy-theories-surrounding-death-of-michael-hastings/news-story/0df1d06403d0223ce1cfc286a1e75325 https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/wikileaks-vau...

once you correct for dui, speeding, driving tired and filter by vehicle types driving a car is pretty safe, that is, if one is not in the problem cohort one can have a pretty low risk of crashing.

chrisseaton 5y ago

Number of people killed on the roads every year due to cyber attack: 0 Number of people killed on the roads every year due to normal crashes: 1,350,000 If you're optimising to reduce risk of the former at the significant expense of increasing risk of the latter... I think you're a fool.

Bancakes 5y ago
Number of people killed on the roads every year due to cyber attack: 0 Number of cars that should have complex, proprietary, hackable software: 0 It's a regress
chopin 5y ago
> Number of people killed on the roads every year due to cyber attack: 0 How do you know this? The beauty of a cyber attack is that it can be made elusive. And the number of people killed on the roads by failing software is certainly not 0.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  I think it's a super-reasonable guess that it's approximately zero. Maybe it's a thousand if you're super imaginative? I think you'd really struggle to make a serious argument that it was a bigger risk.
avereveard 5y ago
First of all, that wasn't my claim. Second, the amount of circulating car that might be a vector for a cyberattack is so small that the 0 in the statistic could very well fall in the range of expected deaths when corrected for other factors. I.e. if there's one vulnerable car every million 0 is what you'd expect deaths to be, not an astounding result.
themaninthedark 5y ago
Remember Michael Hastings? https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/wikileaks-vault-7-dump-reignites-conspiracy-theories-surrounding-death-of-michael-hastings/news-story/0df1d06403d0223ce1cfc286a1e75325 https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/media/wikileaks-vau...