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> N95/FFP2 seem to be very effective. Why does then the states with the highest mask use (CA, NYC) have much higher covid positive rates than states with some

> N95/FFP2 seem to be very effective. Why does then the states with the highest mask use (CA, NYC) have much higher covid positive rates than states with some of the lowest mask use (Florida, NYC)? > Education is key to understanding. You can't reach everyone most. N95 masks improperly used will hold covid for 24hrs and spread them by the incessant touching most people do of their masks before they touch other things. Education only works if the means as deployed are likely to have a positive effect, such as surgeons in a strict hospital settings (where they are still used the wrong way as most people still touch the mask).

kelnos 5y ago
> Why does then the states with the highest mask use (CA, NYC) have much higher covid positive rates than states with some of the lowest mask use (Florida, NYC)? They don't. Stop spreading misinformation. (Also I love that in this repeat of your misinformation, you accidentally typed "NYC" where you meant to say "Texas". And it would behoove you to learn the difference between a city and a state.)
- asabjorn 5y ago
  The confirmed cases to population is 10.3% for NY (not NYC- 2.08m cases to 19.4m population), 9.5% for CA (3.77m cases over 39.5m population), 10.1% for texas (2.93m cases over 29m population), 10.6% for Florida (2.29/21.48). So to be accurate the confirmed covid cases to the population is about the same in states with and without mask mandated as well as other strict social distancing measures.
chimprich 5y ago
> Why does then the states with the highest mask use (CA, NYC) have much higher covid positive rates than states with some of the lowest mask use (Florida, NYC)? Even if that was true, places that were hit hardest by the pandemic tended to impose the most severe restrictions. It's like finding that crash barriers are installed on roads with the highest accident rate and asking whether crash barriers are useless.
- asabjorn 5y ago
  People have traveled and moved extensively to Florida as well as TX from NY and CA, so any high-spread virus would spread to Florida and CA then spread within them. If masks and other strict lockdown measures were effective then by now open states such as Florida and NYC would see much higher death as well as covid case rates. See other comment I made in parent thread showing its about the same.
  - chimprich 5y ago
    Strict lockdowns are effective. It's a virus that spreads through social contact. You restrict social contact, you reduce spread of the virus. It's not plausible to claim they're not effective. This feels like an argument from 12 months ago. They've demonstrably worked in Italy, the UK, New Zealand, China, and so on. They were the primary tool to constrain virus spread until vaccines came along.
    - asabjorn 5y ago
      What metric shows strict lockdowns are effective? As I've shown outcomes on covid cases are equivalent in populous strict lockdown states (NY, CA) and open states (Florida, Texas). Death rate to confirmed covid cases is about 1.6% for all of these except NY that has 2.6%, controlling somewhat for differences in testing.

kelnos 5y ago

> Why does then the states with the highest mask use (CA, NYC) have much higher covid positive rates than states with some of the lowest mask use (Florida, NYC)? They don't. Stop spreading misinformation. (Also I love that in this repeat of your misinformation, you accidentally typed "NYC" where you meant to say "Texas". And it would behoove you to learn the difference between a city and a state.)

asabjorn 5y ago
The confirmed cases to population is 10.3% for NY (not NYC- 2.08m cases to 19.4m population), 9.5% for CA (3.77m cases over 39.5m population), 10.1% for texas (2.93m cases over 29m population), 10.6% for Florida (2.29/21.48). So to be accurate the confirmed covid cases to the population is about the same in states with and without mask mandated as well as other strict social distancing measures.

chimprich 5y ago

> Why does then the states with the highest mask use (CA, NYC) have much higher covid positive rates than states with some of the lowest mask use (Florida, NYC)? Even if that was true, places that were hit hardest by the pandemic tended to impose the most severe restrictions. It's like finding that crash barriers are installed on roads with the highest accident rate and asking whether crash barriers are useless.

asabjorn 5y ago
People have traveled and moved extensively to Florida as well as TX from NY and CA, so any high-spread virus would spread to Florida and CA then spread within them. If masks and other strict lockdown measures were effective then by now open states such as Florida and NYC would see much higher death as well as covid case rates. See other comment I made in parent thread showing its about the same.
- chimprich 5y ago
  Strict lockdowns are effective. It's a virus that spreads through social contact. You restrict social contact, you reduce spread of the virus. It's not plausible to claim they're not effective. This feels like an argument from 12 months ago. They've demonstrably worked in Italy, the UK, New Zealand, China, and so on. They were the primary tool to constrain virus spread until vaccines came along.
  - asabjorn 5y ago
    What metric shows strict lockdowns are effective? As I've shown outcomes on covid cases are equivalent in populous strict lockdown states (NY, CA) and open states (Florida, Texas). Death rate to confirmed covid cases is about 1.6% for all of these except NY that has 2.6%, controlling somewhat for differences in testing.