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You almost definitely speak the truth, but that kind of attitude towards performance is why so many apps are so awful to use now. Especially if you can’t afford

by skavi 5y ago

You almost definitely speak the truth, but that kind of attitude towards performance is why so many apps are so awful to use now. Especially if you can’t afford the newest Mac.

reader_mode 5y ago
M1 macs are the first Apple devices where I feel you're getting excellent value for money and they are super affordable for what they are. These are professional tools, you're going to need to invest into hardware to get a good experience - if you value your time at all you'll be spending a good ammount of money on a laptop, high quality chair, good desk, monitor and peripheral. If you're an amateur or a student then you can afford to wait. It's like me complaining that my amateur drill overheats on hard surfaces and I can't drill through stuff realiably without cracks - if I need to do a few holes here and there the cheap stuff will do, if I do this for a living I'm expected to have gear that will save me time and improve my results. Performance is a feature, and it doesn't rank very high past some critical threshold (which is why people switched to VSCode - other features matter more)
- nix23 5y ago
  You sound like a really amateurish marketing firm.
  - reader_mode 5y ago
    What am I selling exactly ? The idea that it's ridiculous to expect people to optimise professional tools for your 5+ years old hardware ?
    - kamranjon 5y ago
      Vscode existed long before m1 macs. I think designing software that only has acceptable performance on hardware that doesn't even exist yet is where the contention lies. That's hyperbole but I think what is being discussed is more the tendency of developers to be lazy when it comes to performance because the latest and greatest hardware makes their software snappy.
    - dralley 5y ago
      Sure. If it works on 5 year old hardware, it almost certainly works even better on new hardware. I don't find this an unreasonable expectation.
      - reader_mode 5y ago
        Works on != runs fast, I think vscode runs on raspberry pi or something along those lines.
nindalf 5y ago
The one I’m using is $1000. That’s a bit pricey, but strikes me as reasonable value for money. Especially since this is the best performing laptop I’ve ever used. I get what you’re saying though. Many folks might only have budgets in the range of $500-800. With any luck, other manufacturers get their shit together.
- WJW 5y ago
  I think GP was actually saying that with any luck the editor devs get their shit together and make their apps load fast even on older hardware.
- saagarjha 5y ago
  Some people have budgets of $0; they have to use the device they're using currently. I'm already feeling empathy for them in a year or two once all their apps are written by software engineers on Apple silicon Macs who don't test performance on older hardware…
  - freddie_mercury 5y ago
    If their budget is $0 then Sublime Text isn't an option, so I'm not sure what you're arguing here. Sublime Text costs $100.
    - saagarjha 5y ago
      Sublime Text can (and is) used by many people who pay nothing for it. And, to be clear, I was talking about apps in general, not just Sublime Text–which is one of the few apps I trust to not fall victim to the issues I described.
  - threeseed 5y ago
    All of the worst performing apps on OSX are cross-platform. So not sure why you're feeling sympathy when you will have exactly the same performance issues only without the power and efficiency of the M1 SOC.
tshaddox 5y ago
Buying recent computer hardware for software performance reasons is hardly new, and hardly seems like something to be avoided.

by skavi 5y ago

You almost definitely speak the truth, but that kind of attitude towards performance is why so many apps are so awful to use now. Especially if you can’t afford the newest Mac.

reader_mode 5y ago

M1 macs are the first Apple devices where I feel you're getting excellent value for money and they are super affordable for what they are. These are professional tools, you're going to need to invest into hardware to get a good experience - if you value your time at all you'll be spending a good ammount of money on a laptop, high quality chair, good desk, monitor and peripheral. If you're an amateur or a student then you can afford to wait. It's like me complaining that my amateur drill overheats on hard surfaces and I can't drill through stuff realiably without cracks - if I need to do a few holes here and there the cheap stuff will do, if I do this for a living I'm expected to have gear that will save me time and improve my results. Performance is a feature, and it doesn't rank very high past some critical threshold (which is why people switched to VSCode - other features matter more)

nix23 5y ago
You sound like a really amateurish marketing firm.
- reader_mode 5y ago
  What am I selling exactly ? The idea that it's ridiculous to expect people to optimise professional tools for your 5+ years old hardware ?
  - kamranjon 5y ago
    Vscode existed long before m1 macs. I think designing software that only has acceptable performance on hardware that doesn't even exist yet is where the contention lies. That's hyperbole but I think what is being discussed is more the tendency of developers to be lazy when it comes to performance because the latest and greatest hardware makes their software snappy.
  - dralley 5y ago
    Sure. If it works on 5 year old hardware, it almost certainly works even better on new hardware. I don't find this an unreasonable expectation.
    - reader_mode 5y ago
      Works on != runs fast, I think vscode runs on raspberry pi or something along those lines.

nindalf 5y ago

The one I’m using is $1000. That’s a bit pricey, but strikes me as reasonable value for money. Especially since this is the best performing laptop I’ve ever used. I get what you’re saying though. Many folks might only have budgets in the range of $500-800. With any luck, other manufacturers get their shit together.

WJW 5y ago
I think GP was actually saying that with any luck the editor devs get their shit together and make their apps load fast even on older hardware.
saagarjha 5y ago
Some people have budgets of $0; they have to use the device they're using currently. I'm already feeling empathy for them in a year or two once all their apps are written by software engineers on Apple silicon Macs who don't test performance on older hardware…
- freddie_mercury 5y ago
  If their budget is $0 then Sublime Text isn't an option, so I'm not sure what you're arguing here. Sublime Text costs $100.
  - saagarjha 5y ago
    Sublime Text can (and is) used by many people who pay nothing for it. And, to be clear, I was talking about apps in general, not just Sublime Text–which is one of the few apps I trust to not fall victim to the issues I described.
- threeseed 5y ago
  All of the worst performing apps on OSX are cross-platform. So not sure why you're feeling sympathy when you will have exactly the same performance issues only without the power and efficiency of the M1 SOC.

tshaddox 5y ago

Buying recent computer hardware for software performance reasons is hardly new, and hardly seems like something to be avoided.