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I think this implies that after 3 year, you can keep using whatever is the last version you were using. It's basically license to get what you have right + any

I think this implies that after 3 year, you can keep using whatever is the last version you were using. It's basically license to get what you have right + any versions in the next 3 year. JetBrains also has a similar license for yearly subscriptions, where you can keep using whatever version was supported at the end of the license.

smnrchrds 5y ago
> whatever version was supported at the end of the license No. The version you will perpetually have access to is the last version released one year before the expiry of your license. So if you get a one-year license and don't renew it, you only retain access to the version you first bought, not any new ones released during the year.
- CraftThatBlock 5y ago
  Ah, my bad. They should fix that.
  - yedpodtrzitko 5y ago
    They already did... somehow. iirc their original plan was that you'll lose your license after you stop paying. But due to a big backlash against that, they changed it in a way that you can keep the license for product available 1 year before you stop paying.
  - cgriswald 5y ago
    It's not broken. You're basically buying that version of the software with some benefits for a year; and they make it nice and easy to get the next version with benefits. If you decide to quit, you leave with exactly what you already paid for in the first place. Sure, it's not as nice as the Sublime Text model, but it's a fair, decent, and non-broken model. In contrast, subscription software expects you to pay in perpetuity so they can take risks with your money instead of their own on new versions and features. Generally nothing is guaranteed to you at all, only access to whatever version of the software is current. No guaranteed support, upgrade times, or anything. And when you leave, you get nothing at all.
e3bc54b2 5y ago
Jetbrains license works slightly different. You get a license and access to all updates released for duration. But if your license is not renewed at the end, you lose access to updates in the year/time since you bought the license. You still keep original version at the time you purchased license for as long as you want, though.
- eitland 5y ago
  I'm fairly certain the Jetbrains subscription model is: (Edit, I had to look it up, the exact wording is:) "You will receive perpetual fallback licenses for every version you’ve paid 12 consecutive months for. Other notably nice app/programs that uses this or similar sane, friendly models including Sublime Text 4 and Jetbrains products: - Agenda (Mac, iOS) Planner/journal - Manic Time time tracker (Windows, maybe Mac). This can easily save you many hours a month or help you increase billing. feel free to add more examples here, we should make some positive noise about companies that don't abuse their customers. (Please don't misunderstand me: Open source is often even lovlier but there are plenty of lists of Free/Open source software.)
  - jay_kyburz 5y ago
    I let my rider license lapse and I did have to "downgrade" to keep using it.
    - eitland 5y ago
      But only to the last version that you had paid for 12 months, right?
      - jay_kyburz 5y ago
        I only had one year, so it was the release when I first paid.
- eps 5y ago
  So you are forced to downgrade in some (many?) cases?

smnrchrds 5y ago

> whatever version was supported at the end of the license No. The version you will perpetually have access to is the last version released one year before the expiry of your license. So if you get a one-year license and don't renew it, you only retain access to the version you first bought, not any new ones released during the year.

CraftThatBlock 5y ago
Ah, my bad. They should fix that.
- yedpodtrzitko 5y ago
  They already did... somehow. iirc their original plan was that you'll lose your license after you stop paying. But due to a big backlash against that, they changed it in a way that you can keep the license for product available 1 year before you stop paying.
- cgriswald 5y ago
  It's not broken. You're basically buying that version of the software with some benefits for a year; and they make it nice and easy to get the next version with benefits. If you decide to quit, you leave with exactly what you already paid for in the first place. Sure, it's not as nice as the Sublime Text model, but it's a fair, decent, and non-broken model. In contrast, subscription software expects you to pay in perpetuity so they can take risks with your money instead of their own on new versions and features. Generally nothing is guaranteed to you at all, only access to whatever version of the software is current. No guaranteed support, upgrade times, or anything. And when you leave, you get nothing at all.

e3bc54b2 5y ago

Jetbrains license works slightly different. You get a license and access to all updates released for duration. But if your license is not renewed at the end, you lose access to updates in the year/time since you bought the license. You still keep original version at the time you purchased license for as long as you want, though.

eitland 5y ago
I'm fairly certain the Jetbrains subscription model is: (Edit, I had to look it up, the exact wording is:) "You will receive perpetual fallback licenses for every version you’ve paid 12 consecutive months for. Other notably nice app/programs that uses this or similar sane, friendly models including Sublime Text 4 and Jetbrains products: - Agenda (Mac, iOS) Planner/journal - Manic Time time tracker (Windows, maybe Mac). This can easily save you many hours a month or help you increase billing. feel free to add more examples here, we should make some positive noise about companies that don't abuse their customers. (Please don't misunderstand me: Open source is often even lovlier but there are plenty of lists of Free/Open source software.)
- jay_kyburz 5y ago
  I let my rider license lapse and I did have to "downgrade" to keep using it.
  - eitland 5y ago
    But only to the last version that you had paid for 12 months, right?
    - jay_kyburz 5y ago
      I only had one year, so it was the release when I first paid.
eps 5y ago
So you are forced to downgrade in some (many?) cases?