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that doesnt really have any real sources for the two assertions. it references this: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6334/183/ https://science.scien

by ffggvv 5y ago

that doesnt really have any real sources for the two assertions. it references this: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6334/183/ https://science.sciencemag.org/content/356/6334/183/ which doesnt really have anything to do with the point. Just vaguely related to biases inferred from NLP. It also just quotes a few sociology professors who themselves dont provide proof behind their assertions. And then also points to: https://wappp.hks.harvard.edu/publications/psychology-implicit-intergroup-bias-and-prospect-change https://wappp.hks.harvard.edu/publications/psychology-implic... which itself just talks about biases in general and doesnt have anything to do with the voices of AI assistants.

upwardbound 5y ago
If you're interested you can also look at more sources in the first two pages of this Google Scholar search: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=voice+gender+ai&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=voic... By the way, what makes you say the gender wage gap isn't real? To many people that comes across as if you were denying climate change, and decreases your credibility overall. Just trying to engage as best I can.
- ffggvv 5y ago
  because the widely quoted figure of 79 cents to a dollar is only if you blindly compare incomes without adjusting for hours, experience, education, or even role. obviously a part time elementary school teacher with two years experience will make less than a full time investmenet banker that works 80 hours a week and has 10 years experience. Once you adjust for all the relevant factors the effect completely disappears and there isnt a gap. (with some studies find maybe 1-2% within the margin of error). so at the very least its very misleading to say they get paid less for the same role and same expereince. if you want to go into why they may go into different fields or work less hours and how that reflects on society thats fine. But its grossly misleading to take those nunmbers and blindly compare them and say its "sexism". Actually indian and asian woman make more than white men. So white men must systemically be oppressed. Or maybe they choose different jobs. (i still remember when google had to adjust their L4 software engineer pay to raise mens pay, because women actually made more!)
  - tunesmith 5y ago
    those things you're adjusting for are part of the problem! If you're going to adjust away all possible explanations of the problem, then of course you won't see the problem anymore!
    - ffggvv 5y ago
      not really. thats how you isolate a variable. people are postulating the reason for the gap is sexism. so you isolate all the variables until the only difference is sex. and then you see if theres a difference. its basic statistical methodology. in fact alot of people are mistakenly under the impression that women make less for the same role/experience level, which my statistic shows isnt true. if you dont adjust for something then its just an idiotic comparison. like i said, non-adjusted asian women make more than white men. (so do nigerians) But you arent crying about asian women supremacy. or the the system is racist/sexist against white men. now of course you can argue "sexism of the gaps". that the reason women choose jobs that make less is sexism itself. but youd have to prove that assertion, and not simply that hey prefer jobs that tend to make less like social work and teaching. and youd have to explain why the so called wage gap is bigger in the most gender-equal countries like norway and denmark whereas its the smallest in the least equal countries like in the middle east.

by ffggvv 5y ago

upwardbound 5y ago

If you're interested you can also look at more sources in the first two pages of this Google Scholar search: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=voice+gender+ai&btnG= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=voic... By the way, what makes you say the gender wage gap isn't real? To many people that comes across as if you were denying climate change, and decreases your credibility overall. Just trying to engage as best I can.

ffggvv 5y ago
because the widely quoted figure of 79 cents to a dollar is only if you blindly compare incomes without adjusting for hours, experience, education, or even role. obviously a part time elementary school teacher with two years experience will make less than a full time investmenet banker that works 80 hours a week and has 10 years experience. Once you adjust for all the relevant factors the effect completely disappears and there isnt a gap. (with some studies find maybe 1-2% within the margin of error). so at the very least its very misleading to say they get paid less for the same role and same expereince. if you want to go into why they may go into different fields or work less hours and how that reflects on society thats fine. But its grossly misleading to take those nunmbers and blindly compare them and say its "sexism". Actually indian and asian woman make more than white men. So white men must systemically be oppressed. Or maybe they choose different jobs. (i still remember when google had to adjust their L4 software engineer pay to raise mens pay, because women actually made more!)
- tunesmith 5y ago
  those things you're adjusting for are part of the problem! If you're going to adjust away all possible explanations of the problem, then of course you won't see the problem anymore!
  - ffggvv 5y ago
    not really. thats how you isolate a variable. people are postulating the reason for the gap is sexism. so you isolate all the variables until the only difference is sex. and then you see if theres a difference. its basic statistical methodology. in fact alot of people are mistakenly under the impression that women make less for the same role/experience level, which my statistic shows isnt true. if you dont adjust for something then its just an idiotic comparison. like i said, non-adjusted asian women make more than white men. (so do nigerians) But you arent crying about asian women supremacy. or the the system is racist/sexist against white men. now of course you can argue "sexism of the gaps". that the reason women choose jobs that make less is sexism itself. but youd have to prove that assertion, and not simply that hey prefer jobs that tend to make less like social work and teaching. and youd have to explain why the so called wage gap is bigger in the most gender-equal countries like norway and denmark whereas its the smallest in the least equal countries like in the middle east.