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It does not matter. They have no power in our system to simply upend norms as they choose. They can pack up and move themselves if they don’t like it. The on

It does not matter. They have no power in our system to simply upend norms as they choose. They can pack up and move themselves if they don’t like it. The onus is not on everyone else to cater to them. It’s to abide laws as they are written within our constitutional system of elections and statutes overseeing them. I’m not saying that’s ideal. I’m saying that’s how it works. Down votes do nothing to make it any less true. If these folks would like to change that, I’m sure blue urban areas and states would love to renegotiate their wealth being extracted to fund rural communities. https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700 https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the... Ironically, Idaho is a bigger grifter on Federal welfare than Oregon. So they want a more conservative way of life? Which appears to mean “more welfare for me”. If they dig into the history a bit they’d learn rural life was subsidized to begin with, with the government paying business to move out of urban areas. Using government to change the rules for all is not “little government”. Upending state borders out of spite is hardly a “conservative” solution. Their entire platform is laughable given the reality.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
If these people are such a drag, such a bunch of troublemakers and take in more taxes than they pay why shouldn't Oregon be showing them the door?
- yesBoot 5y ago
  Why should the rest of Oregon change to satisfy voters of a non-binding resolution? They can get a Uhaul and go. Why bother putting real costs on the state to appease people with freedom of agency already?
  - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
    If the arrangement is mutually beneficial to Oregon, the "nobodies" and Idaho is on board then why not? Just to spite the nobodies?
_-david-_ 5y ago
Frankly you are just ranting about conservatives and not talking about topic at hand. It is completely irrelevant if conservatives are hypocrites and whatever else you are accusing them of being. If you believe in democratic institutions then people will sometimes vote for things you do not support. If Oregon and Idaho legislatures along with the US Congress also agree to this then it should happen. Nobody is saying that we should not follow the rules and have the legislatures and congress vote on this. Your accusation that they are not abiding by the Constitution is ridiculous and just an outright lie. This vote is just an indication of what they would like to see. So instead of ranting about off topic things why don't you actually make a real argument about why this should not happen. It is very clear you are not even trying to understand these people. You are not listening to them and are just being a jerk. It is people like you that cause these rural people to want to leave states filled with people who make libelous statements against them.
- yesBoot 5y ago
  I’m only ranting about conservatives as conservatives are the ones who brought this measure up. Why would I be ranting about liberals in this thread? Go away David. You’re now just ranting about me, someone you barely know. Pot. Kettle. Nice to meet you.
imgabe 5y ago
> They have no power in our system to simply upend norms as they choose. Yes, they do. We all do. That is literally the point of having a democratically elected government.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

If these people are such a drag, such a bunch of troublemakers and take in more taxes than they pay why shouldn't Oregon be showing them the door?

yesBoot 5y ago
Why should the rest of Oregon change to satisfy voters of a non-binding resolution? They can get a Uhaul and go. Why bother putting real costs on the state to appease people with freedom of agency already?
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  If the arrangement is mutually beneficial to Oregon, the "nobodies" and Idaho is on board then why not? Just to spite the nobodies?

_-david-_ 5y ago

Frankly you are just ranting about conservatives and not talking about topic at hand. It is completely irrelevant if conservatives are hypocrites and whatever else you are accusing them of being. If you believe in democratic institutions then people will sometimes vote for things you do not support. If Oregon and Idaho legislatures along with the US Congress also agree to this then it should happen. Nobody is saying that we should not follow the rules and have the legislatures and congress vote on this. Your accusation that they are not abiding by the Constitution is ridiculous and just an outright lie. This vote is just an indication of what they would like to see. So instead of ranting about off topic things why don't you actually make a real argument about why this should not happen. It is very clear you are not even trying to understand these people. You are not listening to them and are just being a jerk. It is people like you that cause these rural people to want to leave states filled with people who make libelous statements against them.

yesBoot 5y ago
I’m only ranting about conservatives as conservatives are the ones who brought this measure up. Why would I be ranting about liberals in this thread? Go away David. You’re now just ranting about me, someone you barely know. Pot. Kettle. Nice to meet you.

imgabe 5y ago

> They have no power in our system to simply upend norms as they choose. Yes, they do. We all do. That is literally the point of having a democratically elected government.