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The war on drugs put people in prison for emotional belief those people were morally inferior. It rightly so should be abolished. To be replaced with trained

The war on drugs put people in prison for emotional belief those people were morally inferior. It rightly so should be abolished. To be replaced with trained medical help, detox programs, and a conversation about morality not tethered to superstition, or black and white judgments. But the fundies, acting out of emotion, prefer boxes. It’s all emotion since humans are motivated by such. It’s the outcome that should be judged.

buzzert 5y ago
> To be replaced with trained medical help, detox programs, and a conversation about morality not tethered to superstition, or black and white judgments Why can’t these programs exist while also having drugs be illegal? Also it doesn’t help your position by using childish words like “fundies”, FYI. Keep that on Reddit please.
- joshka 5y ago
  > Why can’t these programs exist while also having drugs be illegal? How would you make that work? Consider if drugs are illegal, then getting medical help / detox requires admission of guilt. This seems like a fifth amendment problem.
  - buzzert 5y ago
    Why should you have to admit anything to get treatment? Is that some kind of medical requirement I’m unaware of?
    - joshka 5y ago
      I'm talking just human nature here. If something is forbidden , illegal, subjectively immoral, etc. then it's difficult to both admit and seek help with that thing. I don't have any data to hand to back my assertion that criminalization negatively affects treatment, however if such data exists, then it would be less surprising (to me) than the inverse (criminalization makes it easier to get treatment).
    - whatisthiseven 5y ago
      How should a doctor know how to treat you if you don't tell them what caused the problems? Doctors don't just hear you list a bunch of things you are "feeling" as symptoms and then output a pill to take. They need to look at your overall health, wellbeing, symptoms, medicine you are taking, diet, etc. You can't just show up to a hospital with crack or heroin withdrawl and be like "I don't feel well, please help me". They are going to ask why you don't feel well.
- yesBoot 5y ago
  Why must drugs be illegal? Is it everyone else’s responsibility to protect you and your sensibilities? It hasn’t prevented folks from consuming them, or becoming addicted. If I’m childish for the use of a euphemism, what would you call living in an idealized reality that’s never existed?

buzzert 5y ago

> To be replaced with trained medical help, detox programs, and a conversation about morality not tethered to superstition, or black and white judgments Why can’t these programs exist while also having drugs be illegal? Also it doesn’t help your position by using childish words like “fundies”, FYI. Keep that on Reddit please.

joshka 5y ago
> Why can’t these programs exist while also having drugs be illegal? How would you make that work? Consider if drugs are illegal, then getting medical help / detox requires admission of guilt. This seems like a fifth amendment problem.
- buzzert 5y ago
  Why should you have to admit anything to get treatment? Is that some kind of medical requirement I’m unaware of?
  - joshka 5y ago
    I'm talking just human nature here. If something is forbidden , illegal, subjectively immoral, etc. then it's difficult to both admit and seek help with that thing. I don't have any data to hand to back my assertion that criminalization negatively affects treatment, however if such data exists, then it would be less surprising (to me) than the inverse (criminalization makes it easier to get treatment).
  - whatisthiseven 5y ago
    How should a doctor know how to treat you if you don't tell them what caused the problems? Doctors don't just hear you list a bunch of things you are "feeling" as symptoms and then output a pill to take. They need to look at your overall health, wellbeing, symptoms, medicine you are taking, diet, etc. You can't just show up to a hospital with crack or heroin withdrawl and be like "I don't feel well, please help me". They are going to ask why you don't feel well.
yesBoot 5y ago
Why must drugs be illegal? Is it everyone else’s responsibility to protect you and your sensibilities? It hasn’t prevented folks from consuming them, or becoming addicted. If I’m childish for the use of a euphemism, what would you call living in an idealized reality that’s never existed?