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As an left Oregonian I think this would be a win-win. Oregon is an extremely liberal state in the valley but outside of metropolitan areas, obviously not. Our

As an left Oregonian I think this would be a win-win. Oregon is an extremely liberal state in the valley but outside of metropolitan areas, obviously not. Our state legislature is regularly shut down and forced to cater to far right views. Like, these conservative congressman refuse to show up and literally shut it down so nothing gets done. Liberal congresspeople in general not willing to do anything besides chastise them for it. So the whole legislature doesn't get big progressives projects done as much as they might otherwise. I imagine the biggest impediment to the counties leaving is the centrist portion of our legislature not wanting to give up the bargaining power having right winger congresspeople shut things down. They want their conservative great state with Idaho, go for it. I sincerely hope Idaho can provide as much needed relief for disaster and public funding for fires and such. We do that now but I have to imagine Idaho has a lot less money.

Ericson2314 5y ago
Yes I absolutely agree. An to anyone worried about the electoral college and senate, well, those are salvageably crap, and stuff like this will put on pressure for reform or at last "heighten the contradictions". Even more simply, here's a wonderful grand bargain: DC statehood return for California, Oregon, and Washington boundary shifting. I would take that in a heartbeat. (PR statehood could sweeten the deal, but leftism says PR ought to be independent, and plain non-ideological pro-democracy me says PR should have a binding statehood vs independent referendum that isn't subject to boycotts to determine what Puerto Ricans actually want.)
refurb 5y ago
So the whole legislature doesn't get big progressives projects done as much as they might otherwise. But that’s how it’s supposed to work? If only a portion of your electorate supports progressive projects then it’s not supposed to be easy to pass them. Your statement is really bizarre.
- marricks 5y ago
  Let me give an example, say you you have 61% of the senators so you have a supermajority and can anything you want passed. Ok that's fine. Well says there's a quorum where 70% of senators must be present for a vote. The very minority party now can just leave and stop anything from happening. That's effectively what the republican did. You can call it a fair democracy because it's "following the rules" but it's pretty fucked IMO.
  - refurb 5y ago
    But that’s the point. People talk about Congressional deadlock, but that’s by design. It’s not supposed to be easy to pass laws unless there is strong agreement.
    - marricks 5y ago
      The overflow release valve of a dam is there by design but if it's gushing constantly that isn't necessarily indicative of everything being all sunshine and roses.

Ericson2314 5y ago

Yes I absolutely agree. An to anyone worried about the electoral college and senate, well, those are salvageably crap, and stuff like this will put on pressure for reform or at last "heighten the contradictions". Even more simply, here's a wonderful grand bargain: DC statehood return for California, Oregon, and Washington boundary shifting. I would take that in a heartbeat. (PR statehood could sweeten the deal, but leftism says PR ought to be independent, and plain non-ideological pro-democracy me says PR should have a binding statehood vs independent referendum that isn't subject to boycotts to determine what Puerto Ricans actually want.)

refurb 5y ago

So the whole legislature doesn't get big progressives projects done as much as they might otherwise. But that’s how it’s supposed to work? If only a portion of your electorate supports progressive projects then it’s not supposed to be easy to pass them. Your statement is really bizarre.

marricks 5y ago
Let me give an example, say you you have 61% of the senators so you have a supermajority and can anything you want passed. Ok that's fine. Well says there's a quorum where 70% of senators must be present for a vote. The very minority party now can just leave and stop anything from happening. That's effectively what the republican did. You can call it a fair democracy because it's "following the rules" but it's pretty fucked IMO.
- refurb 5y ago
  But that’s the point. People talk about Congressional deadlock, but that’s by design. It’s not supposed to be easy to pass laws unless there is strong agreement.
  - marricks 5y ago
    The overflow release valve of a dam is there by design but if it's gushing constantly that isn't necessarily indicative of everything being all sunshine and roses.