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Maybe they like their home, their community, and their neighborhood, but what they don’t like is having a bunch of people living in population centers far away

by avalys 5y ago

Maybe they like their home, their community, and their neighborhood, but what they don’t like is having a bunch of people living in population centers far away who don’t share their values telling them how to live their lives?

xrd 5y ago
I'm confused, are we talking about the electoral college system, or about Oregon?
- tick_tock_tick 5y ago
  I mean their statement can be generalized to both but they are talking about the urban centers in Oregon.
UncleOxidant 5y ago
Sure, but if they feel that way and if they actually think Idaho will be more aligned to their values then it's not far away and it looks a whole lot like Eastern Oregon. These symbolic votes won't change anything for them. Ironic that a lot of these folks are in the "love it or leave it" camp.
wwweston 5y ago
> a bunch of people living in population centers far away "Far away" being "within the same state"? > "telling them how to live their lives" Yes, tell us the horrifying tales of distinctive micromanagement the people of Eastern Oregon have to suffer from. If you live in society featuring representative government and rule of law, no matter where you live you'll run into a situation where you won't be part of the plurality. And yes, frequently, "population centers" are going to be where the majority of people live, which means in any state, you're going to have the same problem. Which means this complaint is essentially about the idea that certain minorities get that they should have the right to impose their values on the majority.
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
  > "Far away" being "within the same state"? Don't confuse Oregon with some small New England state. It's the 10th largest, clocking in at nearly 400 miles E-W. For reference, if you drove 60mph and managed to take a straight line across it'd be over 6.5 hours of drive time, and the physical geography drastically changes in that distance.
- CountDrewku 5y ago
  >Which means this complaint is essentially about the idea that certain minorities get that they should have the right to impose their values on the majority. I don't think you understand what the word impose means. How is asking to leave imposing something on anyone? If you want to see an example of minority groups imposing beliefs on the majority you should look at BLM and lgtbq communities.
AlotOfReading 5y ago
I don't know if you've lived in a lot of these places, but most of them are utterly dependent on those population centers to meet their basic medical, financial, and infrastructure needs. The cores in turn need resources from the peripheries to sustain themselves. There's no reason any of this has to be oppositional, except that the rural counties are pissed off about elections and lockdowns right now.
- kirillzubovsky 5y ago
  I don't quite agree with this view based on what I've seen/heard from small town folks. The narrative that rural counties depend on the centers for their infrastructure needs is a view that was created by the cities. In practice, people is small towns and rural counties are extremely self-sufficient. They know help isn't coming their way, and therefore are totally okay doing what needs to be done to preserve their communities' health. People grow their veggies, raise their own pigs, hold three jobs to pay the bills ...etc. People in small towns really couldn't give 2 f()cks about people from the city, but they get pissed off because city people come and try to tell them what to do. Basically, they've not asked for any help from cities before, so why should they be handed down constrains now? At least that's what I've seen.
  - resntoirnetien 5y ago
    > In practice, people is small towns and rural counties are extremely self-sufficient. The narrative that rural counties are extremely self-sufficient is utter-nonsense, cult-like thinking. They don't have the population, tax-base, or non-individualistic thinking to do anything at all. They're dead in the water without outside funding, which comes from the state/county where people actually live/work.
  - AlotOfReading 5y ago
    Can you be more specific about where you've seen people in eastern Oregon and modoc/siskiyou living on local subsistence agriculture? These areas are mountainous, high altitude, and incredibly arid, not exactly prime agricultural land. That's a big part of why they're so lightly populated. As for jobs, their main employers are typically some combination of tourism, ranching, and most of all, government. Often it's colleges and medical facilities that are the largest employers overall, which critically rely on state funding. I've definitely heard people in these areas who say they don't need doctors, schools, or roads, but hopefully we can agree that it's a silly position and not an argument most people would make.

by avalys 5y ago

xrd 5y ago

I'm confused, are we talking about the electoral college system, or about Oregon?

tick_tock_tick 5y ago
I mean their statement can be generalized to both but they are talking about the urban centers in Oregon.

UncleOxidant 5y ago

Sure, but if they feel that way and if they actually think Idaho will be more aligned to their values then it's not far away and it looks a whole lot like Eastern Oregon. These symbolic votes won't change anything for them. Ironic that a lot of these folks are in the "love it or leave it" camp.

wwweston 5y ago

> a bunch of people living in population centers far away "Far away" being "within the same state"? > "telling them how to live their lives" Yes, tell us the horrifying tales of distinctive micromanagement the people of Eastern Oregon have to suffer from. If you live in society featuring representative government and rule of law, no matter where you live you'll run into a situation where you won't be part of the plurality. And yes, frequently, "population centers" are going to be where the majority of people live, which means in any state, you're going to have the same problem. Which means this complaint is essentially about the idea that certain minorities get that they should have the right to impose their values on the majority.

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 5y ago
> "Far away" being "within the same state"? Don't confuse Oregon with some small New England state. It's the 10th largest, clocking in at nearly 400 miles E-W. For reference, if you drove 60mph and managed to take a straight line across it'd be over 6.5 hours of drive time, and the physical geography drastically changes in that distance.
CountDrewku 5y ago
>Which means this complaint is essentially about the idea that certain minorities get that they should have the right to impose their values on the majority. I don't think you understand what the word impose means. How is asking to leave imposing something on anyone? If you want to see an example of minority groups imposing beliefs on the majority you should look at BLM and lgtbq communities.

AlotOfReading 5y ago

I don't know if you've lived in a lot of these places, but most of them are utterly dependent on those population centers to meet their basic medical, financial, and infrastructure needs. The cores in turn need resources from the peripheries to sustain themselves. There's no reason any of this has to be oppositional, except that the rural counties are pissed off about elections and lockdowns right now.

kirillzubovsky 5y ago
I don't quite agree with this view based on what I've seen/heard from small town folks. The narrative that rural counties depend on the centers for their infrastructure needs is a view that was created by the cities. In practice, people is small towns and rural counties are extremely self-sufficient. They know help isn't coming their way, and therefore are totally okay doing what needs to be done to preserve their communities' health. People grow their veggies, raise their own pigs, hold three jobs to pay the bills ...etc. People in small towns really couldn't give 2 f()cks about people from the city, but they get pissed off because city people come and try to tell them what to do. Basically, they've not asked for any help from cities before, so why should they be handed down constrains now? At least that's what I've seen.
- resntoirnetien 5y ago
  > In practice, people is small towns and rural counties are extremely self-sufficient. The narrative that rural counties are extremely self-sufficient is utter-nonsense, cult-like thinking. They don't have the population, tax-base, or non-individualistic thinking to do anything at all. They're dead in the water without outside funding, which comes from the state/county where people actually live/work.
- AlotOfReading 5y ago
  Can you be more specific about where you've seen people in eastern Oregon and modoc/siskiyou living on local subsistence agriculture? These areas are mountainous, high altitude, and incredibly arid, not exactly prime agricultural land. That's a big part of why they're so lightly populated. As for jobs, their main employers are typically some combination of tourism, ranching, and most of all, government. Often it's colleges and medical facilities that are the largest employers overall, which critically rely on state funding. I've definitely heard people in these areas who say they don't need doctors, schools, or roads, but hopefully we can agree that it's a silly position and not an argument most people would make.