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How is the 6-Californians proposal going, I wonder? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Californias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Californias

by Tempest1981 5y ago

Nicksil 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Californias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Californias
- Tempest1981 5y ago
  Thanks, fixed the mobile link
thehappypm 5y ago
I love how gerrymandered these proposals are. Make sure that the Bay Area is split across two states, so that both stay blue.
- CameronNemo 5y ago
  The person who sponsored the 6 californias proposal was fairly conservative / capitalistic. I doubt he was attempting to create more states that leaned toward Democrats. Also have you ever been to Marin? A lot of people there are fairly "conservative".
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- jandrese 5y ago
  The even more crazy part is the proposed Jefferson has less than 1/10 the population of West or South California but still has a higher population than both Dakotas, Washington DC, Alaska, Vermont, or Wyoming. West California would still be one of the most populous states in the union, coming in just behind Ohio in 7th place and South California would be nipping on its heels. Silicon Valley would be ranked near Tennessee. As crazy as this proposal sounds, it's probably less crazy than having almost 40 million people be represented by just 2 senators when Wyoming has the same number of senators for barely half a million people.
  - sharkmerry 5y ago
    > it's probably less crazy than having almost 40 million people be represented by just 2 senators when Wyoming has the same number of senators for barely half a million people. This was purposely the design of the Senate. This complaint should be more applied to the House, where we stopped increasing the number of reps as population grew
    - CameronNemo 5y ago
      The Senate was designed by crazy people.
    - jandrese 5y ago
      I don’t think the founding fathers really understood how much the population of the states would diverge over the years.
      - _delirium 5y ago
        I didn't have a good offhand feel for how the ratio of large to small state populations has changed, so for whatever it's worth, the ratio between the largest and smallest state at various times: 1790: 12x (Virginia : Delaware) 1850: 36x (New York : Florida) 1900: 173x (New York : Nevada) 1950: 93x (New York : Nevada) 2000: 69x (California : Wyoming) 2020: 68x (California : Wyoming)
      - crocodiletears 5y ago
        Iirc, the least populous states in the union were about 7% (~1.5% of the national population) the population of the most populous (Virginia). Within 30 years of the constitution's ratification, Indiana was granted statehood with a population equivalent to .8% of the national population. It's a far cry from Wyoming being ~1% the population of California (~.17% of the US pop), but I think they and the first few generations of american politicians were reasonably aware of the potential spread.
- klipt 5y ago
  You know we could solve gerrymandering entirely by using proportional representation like many other democracies do.

How is the 6-Californians proposal going, I wonder? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Californias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Californias

Nicksil 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Californias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Californias

Tempest1981 5y ago
Thanks, fixed the mobile link

thehappypm 5y ago

I love how gerrymandered these proposals are. Make sure that the Bay Area is split across two states, so that both stay blue.

CameronNemo 5y ago
The person who sponsored the 6 californias proposal was fairly conservative / capitalistic. I doubt he was attempting to create more states that leaned toward Democrats. Also have you ever been to Marin? A lot of people there are fairly "conservative".
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jandrese 5y ago
The even more crazy part is the proposed Jefferson has less than 1/10 the population of West or South California but still has a higher population than both Dakotas, Washington DC, Alaska, Vermont, or Wyoming. West California would still be one of the most populous states in the union, coming in just behind Ohio in 7th place and South California would be nipping on its heels. Silicon Valley would be ranked near Tennessee. As crazy as this proposal sounds, it's probably less crazy than having almost 40 million people be represented by just 2 senators when Wyoming has the same number of senators for barely half a million people.
- sharkmerry 5y ago
  > it's probably less crazy than having almost 40 million people be represented by just 2 senators when Wyoming has the same number of senators for barely half a million people. This was purposely the design of the Senate. This complaint should be more applied to the House, where we stopped increasing the number of reps as population grew
  - CameronNemo 5y ago
    The Senate was designed by crazy people.
  - jandrese 5y ago
    I don’t think the founding fathers really understood how much the population of the states would diverge over the years.
    - _delirium 5y ago
      I didn't have a good offhand feel for how the ratio of large to small state populations has changed, so for whatever it's worth, the ratio between the largest and smallest state at various times: 1790: 12x (Virginia : Delaware) 1850: 36x (New York : Florida) 1900: 173x (New York : Nevada) 1950: 93x (New York : Nevada) 2000: 69x (California : Wyoming) 2020: 68x (California : Wyoming)
    - crocodiletears 5y ago
      Iirc, the least populous states in the union were about 7% (~1.5% of the national population) the population of the most populous (Virginia). Within 30 years of the constitution's ratification, Indiana was granted statehood with a population equivalent to .8% of the national population. It's a far cry from Wyoming being ~1% the population of California (~.17% of the US pop), but I think they and the first few generations of american politicians were reasonably aware of the potential spread.
klipt 5y ago
You know we could solve gerrymandering entirely by using proportional representation like many other democracies do.