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If these jets are narrow, and if the radiation is directed in the same direction as these jets (That's my understanding. Am I wrong?), how do we (1) see these j

If these jets are narrow, and if the radiation is directed in the same direction as these jets (That's my understanding. Am I wrong?), how do we (1) see these jets in the first place and (2) if the answer is that we only see the ones pointed at us, how do we know they are (narrow) jets since we can't observe them from other angles?

gotstad 5y ago
Perhaps reflection from other bodies? Or simply some kind of radiation emitted from the jets?
FredPret 5y ago
I’m speculating, but maybe it lights up a conveniently located dust cloud
- ISL 5y ago
  I believe that this is generally correct. Relativistic particles impinging upon even dilute gas will have bright signatures in many bands.
omrjml 5y ago
The radiation is not pointed in the same direction as jets like a laser. There is bulk motion of the plasma in a given direction, but the radiation is emitted from particles that are moving in a different directions within that plasma. So the radiation spread is wider than the jet direction. Interestingly, depending on if the jet we are viewing is pointed towards us or not can impact on the radiation signature in the form of blue shift and red shift. If the orientation is just right, bits of jet appear to move faster than to the speed of light, but it's just a geometric effect.
btilly 5y ago
How do you see the beam of a flashlight in the dark? Because it hits stuff in the air and bounces off. And the particles previously in the beam that already hit something are likely to hang around and be candidates for being hit themselves. And eventually they wind up as part of a big glowing cloud that you can see in the pictures. See https://d2r55xnwy6nx47.cloudfront.net/uploads/2021/05/cyga_v1.jpg https://d2r55xnwy6nx47.cloudfront.net/uploads/2021/05/cyga_v... linked in the picture for what it looks like. And for evidence that we can still see the beam when it isn't pointed directly at us.
ectopod 5y ago
> Many jets are thin and bright all along their length. “How does it shine? How do we see it?” Chen wonders. It looks like nobody knows for sure.

gotstad 5y ago

Perhaps reflection from other bodies? Or simply some kind of radiation emitted from the jets?

FredPret 5y ago

I’m speculating, but maybe it lights up a conveniently located dust cloud

ISL 5y ago
I believe that this is generally correct. Relativistic particles impinging upon even dilute gas will have bright signatures in many bands.

omrjml 5y ago

The radiation is not pointed in the same direction as jets like a laser. There is bulk motion of the plasma in a given direction, but the radiation is emitted from particles that are moving in a different directions within that plasma. So the radiation spread is wider than the jet direction. Interestingly, depending on if the jet we are viewing is pointed towards us or not can impact on the radiation signature in the form of blue shift and red shift. If the orientation is just right, bits of jet appear to move faster than to the speed of light, but it's just a geometric effect.

btilly 5y ago

How do you see the beam of a flashlight in the dark? Because it hits stuff in the air and bounces off. And the particles previously in the beam that already hit something are likely to hang around and be candidates for being hit themselves. And eventually they wind up as part of a big glowing cloud that you can see in the pictures. See https://d2r55xnwy6nx47.cloudfront.net/uploads/2021/05/cyga_v1.jpg https://d2r55xnwy6nx47.cloudfront.net/uploads/2021/05/cyga_v... linked in the picture for what it looks like. And for evidence that we can still see the beam when it isn't pointed directly at us.

ectopod 5y ago

> Many jets are thin and bright all along their length. “How does it shine? How do we see it?” Chen wonders. It looks like nobody knows for sure.