But isn't that deliberately ignoring the fact we're talking about prisoners? Not citizens with full rights? So 'making them do something' is the entire point of

But isn't that deliberately ignoring the fact we're talking about prisoners? Not citizens with full rights? So 'making them do something' is the entire point of the exercise. Its not advancing the topic to exclaim breathlessly about loss of rights, when that's the point of prison. We could be talking about misaligned incentives or effectiveness etc.