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Sure and if we coddle everyone then there will be no more "race car drivers" in the next generation, because they won't have had the opportunity to use their no

by oauea 5y ago

Sure and if we coddle everyone then there will be no more "race car drivers" in the next generation, because they won't have had the opportunity to use their no-longer-general computers.

zaphar 5y ago
Apple coddling it's users is not coddling everyone. You still have Android, Pinephone, Linux laptops, Virtual Machines, and a whole host of other enthusiast platforms. Even though the vast majority of cars have a plethora of safety features there is is still a thriving amateur racing scene that isn't going away and is a path for those who want to be race car drivers. Meanwhile I get a car that I can turn on cruise control in traffic and not have to think as hard about speed and as a result get a much safer and more enjoyable experience on long car trips.
- swiley 5y ago
  The affect is the same, it's most apparent in chat apps. Because of Apple's abuse of its ownership of people's phones there are no popular decentralized chat apps. It's not feasible to maintain a chat app for iOS by volunteers because the app authors must also maintain infrastructure for push notifications (Apple does not allow this to be delegated to, for example, the chat server operators who already have volunteers that can handle this.)
- ashneo76 5y ago
  Apple coddling is taken like word from god. The IT them at my work threatened about disabling SIP. Apple can go fuck itself with that crap. I have sudo, I alike be able to shoot myself in the foot. And I have and that made me a better engineer today. I should be able to disable that
snowwrestler 5y ago
People made the same arguments about introducing/mandating safety features in cars and yet here we are in the future, with plenty of race car drivers.
- atatatat 5y ago
  I have intimate knowledge of the grassroots levels of the sport, and must disagree. There are still teams so tight on budget they choose their track¹ based on it not requiring fireproof gloves as part of safety equipment, etc. I have heard similar stories about needing to avoid tracks with safety rules due to unaffordable expense of: - Safer bladder style fuel tanks - Head-and-neck restraints (to avoid having your head detach from your spine like Dale Sr.) - Fuel line and engine fire-wall sizing - Helmet and firesuit regulatory tag-checks (every additional second in a bad fire matters, old aren't safe, sometimes in more ways than one). ¹Or don't race at all, anymore.
  - snowwrestler 5y ago
    I think you misunderstand, the historical argument was that if we put seat belts, air bags, antilock brakes, power steering, etc. in consumer cars, then the overall level of driving skill and risk-tolerance would decline so far that no one would want to, or be skilled enough to drive race cars anymore.
    - Rumudiez 5y ago
      From my experiences nobody who argues with this point knows how to drive. It’s like asking a cocky jr eng to make a Twitter clone – of course they think it’s simpler than it is. I’ve never had a Lyft or Uber drive properly take a corner. I’ve had one take all four wheels into the shoulder while getting on the freeway because he oversteered and then took his foot off the gas. If you knew, you’d know. You don’t know. Edit to add the reason no one is afraid of their terrible, awful lack of skill in this apparently dangerous activity is at least in part due to the risk homeostasis effect of increased safety features.
      - atatatat 5y ago
        Yep.
heterodoxxed 5y ago
Not everyone has the time, energy or inclination to be a race car driver, even if they possess the capability. Some people just want to be able to use a computer without having their identity stolen and bank account drained.
whateveracct 5y ago
i mean..video game consoles are even more closed than iOS in many ways, and that didn't stop me and plenty of others being driven to "become race car drivers" due to them.

by oauea 5y ago

Sure and if we coddle everyone then there will be no more "race car drivers" in the next generation, because they won't have had the opportunity to use their no-longer-general computers.

zaphar 5y ago

Apple coddling it's users is not coddling everyone. You still have Android, Pinephone, Linux laptops, Virtual Machines, and a whole host of other enthusiast platforms. Even though the vast majority of cars have a plethora of safety features there is is still a thriving amateur racing scene that isn't going away and is a path for those who want to be race car drivers. Meanwhile I get a car that I can turn on cruise control in traffic and not have to think as hard about speed and as a result get a much safer and more enjoyable experience on long car trips.

swiley 5y ago
The affect is the same, it's most apparent in chat apps. Because of Apple's abuse of its ownership of people's phones there are no popular decentralized chat apps. It's not feasible to maintain a chat app for iOS by volunteers because the app authors must also maintain infrastructure for push notifications (Apple does not allow this to be delegated to, for example, the chat server operators who already have volunteers that can handle this.)
ashneo76 5y ago
Apple coddling is taken like word from god. The IT them at my work threatened about disabling SIP. Apple can go fuck itself with that crap. I have sudo, I alike be able to shoot myself in the foot. And I have and that made me a better engineer today. I should be able to disable that

snowwrestler 5y ago

People made the same arguments about introducing/mandating safety features in cars and yet here we are in the future, with plenty of race car drivers.

atatatat 5y ago
I have intimate knowledge of the grassroots levels of the sport, and must disagree. There are still teams so tight on budget they choose their track¹ based on it not requiring fireproof gloves as part of safety equipment, etc. I have heard similar stories about needing to avoid tracks with safety rules due to unaffordable expense of: - Safer bladder style fuel tanks - Head-and-neck restraints (to avoid having your head detach from your spine like Dale Sr.) - Fuel line and engine fire-wall sizing - Helmet and firesuit regulatory tag-checks (every additional second in a bad fire matters, old aren't safe, sometimes in more ways than one). ¹Or don't race at all, anymore.
- snowwrestler 5y ago
  I think you misunderstand, the historical argument was that if we put seat belts, air bags, antilock brakes, power steering, etc. in consumer cars, then the overall level of driving skill and risk-tolerance would decline so far that no one would want to, or be skilled enough to drive race cars anymore.
  - Rumudiez 5y ago
    From my experiences nobody who argues with this point knows how to drive. It’s like asking a cocky jr eng to make a Twitter clone – of course they think it’s simpler than it is. I’ve never had a Lyft or Uber drive properly take a corner. I’ve had one take all four wheels into the shoulder while getting on the freeway because he oversteered and then took his foot off the gas. If you knew, you’d know. You don’t know. Edit to add the reason no one is afraid of their terrible, awful lack of skill in this apparently dangerous activity is at least in part due to the risk homeostasis effect of increased safety features.
    - atatatat 5y ago
      Yep.

heterodoxxed 5y ago

Not everyone has the time, energy or inclination to be a race car driver, even if they possess the capability. Some people just want to be able to use a computer without having their identity stolen and bank account drained.

whateveracct 5y ago

i mean..video game consoles are even more closed than iOS in many ways, and that didn't stop me and plenty of others being driven to "become race car drivers" due to them.