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Every organization in which the people have real autonomy and power is literally an invented arbitrary bureaucracy. You just invented a really long way to descr

Every organization in which the people have real autonomy and power is literally an invented arbitrary bureaucracy. You just invented a really long way to describe civilization. People don't like it when money trumps all other factors in a concern that perceptively wasn't for sale and threats and dishonesty don't help either. It appears that nearly everyone involved believes there is a problem including Lee who now needs new paid staff to run what is likely a dwindling community. It sounds like you have an ax to grind personally.

ok123456 5y ago
Nah. I've seen much larger IRC networks run with a fraction of the officiousness and ornery behavior from freenode "staffers". It's not a general problem with civilization needing "law and order" or whatever.
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  Do you mean that you had an issue with freenode staff and now enjoy their discomfort.
  - ok123456 5y ago
    Personal attacks are off-topic on hackernews.
- Macha 5y ago
  Isn't Freenode the largest IRC network by a significant margin? https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php
  - pop11 5y ago
    Click 2005. Observe Y axis.
    - Macha 5y ago
      I'm not sure early 00s IRC networks are a success story of light touch, politics free organisation.
      - ok123456 5y ago
        Those same networks are still functioning with much less proportionate overhead. They're also much more technically competent. Look at how the different networks handled the cross-protocol exploit a few years back where a well crafted link could cause the browser to connect to irc and spam. Most other networks required a PING/PONG on connect so they weren't vulnerable. Of the networks that didn't, they were able to mitigate that within minutes to hours by either a simple configuration change or a firewall rule. Freenode was unable to do anything for months. Their solution was to rewrite their entire ircd and tell people not to complain about the spam.

ok123456 5y ago

Nah. I've seen much larger IRC networks run with a fraction of the officiousness and ornery behavior from freenode "staffers". It's not a general problem with civilization needing "law and order" or whatever.

michaelmrose 5y ago
Do you mean that you had an issue with freenode staff and now enjoy their discomfort.
- ok123456 5y ago
  Personal attacks are off-topic on hackernews.
Macha 5y ago
Isn't Freenode the largest IRC network by a significant margin? https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php
- pop11 5y ago
  Click 2005. Observe Y axis.
  - Macha 5y ago
    I'm not sure early 00s IRC networks are a success story of light touch, politics free organisation.
    - ok123456 5y ago
      Those same networks are still functioning with much less proportionate overhead. They're also much more technically competent. Look at how the different networks handled the cross-protocol exploit a few years back where a well crafted link could cause the browser to connect to irc and spam. Most other networks required a PING/PONG on connect so they weren't vulnerable. Of the networks that didn't, they were able to mitigate that within minutes to hours by either a simple configuration change or a firewall rule. Freenode was unable to do anything for months. Their solution was to rewrite their entire ircd and tell people not to complain about the spam.