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Cool but apple also restricts apps based on content and enforces their own morality standards on what content is acceptable so I really don't care about the sec

Cool but apple also restricts apps based on content and enforces their own morality standards on what content is acceptable so I really don't care about the security aspect.

kevingadd 5y ago
Worse than their morality standards, they have a history of enforcing political restrictions and doing the bidding of other governments - for example, removing an app that allowed Hong Kong residents to track police to avoid getting hurt or killed by them during the widespread protests. So you have to ask, is Apple going to actually protect your privacy or your rights? They've already proven they'll hand all your data over to the Chinese government as a condition of getting access to that market.
- HatchedLake721 5y ago
  > They've already proven they'll hand all your data over to the Chinese government as a condition of getting access to that market. FTFY: "They've already proven they'll follow the local laws of countries they operate in." If you want to do business in country X, you must follow the laws of country X. It's that simple. Apple is a business, not world police. There's also no need to project your own personal/cultural/morality standards and beliefs on to other countries' and their laws. Some people disagree for governments to have access to too much data. Others agree to keep them safe - children, terrorism, national security, personal safety, etc. Debates around privacy and governments have been happening for decades, especially since Snowden revelations of data hoarding by the 5 eyes, to recent end-to-end encryption bans in messengers. What you think is "right" is not universal across the world.
  - kevingadd 5y ago
    This is not an argument of right or wrong, it's purely that they make statements about their priorities and values, like "privacy", but local laws and regulations actually take priority over their values. China's laws are China's laws, but the fact is that there seems to be no value Apple will not sacrifice in order to turn a profit. Which is capitalism, I suppose. They want that money because their shareholders want that money. That's how it goes.

Cool but apple also restricts apps based on content and enforces their own morality standards on what content is acceptable so I really don't care about the security aspect.

kevingadd 5y ago

Worse than their morality standards, they have a history of enforcing political restrictions and doing the bidding of other governments - for example, removing an app that allowed Hong Kong residents to track police to avoid getting hurt or killed by them during the widespread protests. So you have to ask, is Apple going to actually protect your privacy or your rights? They've already proven they'll hand all your data over to the Chinese government as a condition of getting access to that market.

HatchedLake721 5y ago
> They've already proven they'll hand all your data over to the Chinese government as a condition of getting access to that market. FTFY: "They've already proven they'll follow the local laws of countries they operate in." If you want to do business in country X, you must follow the laws of country X. It's that simple. Apple is a business, not world police. There's also no need to project your own personal/cultural/morality standards and beliefs on to other countries' and their laws. Some people disagree for governments to have access to too much data. Others agree to keep them safe - children, terrorism, national security, personal safety, etc. Debates around privacy and governments have been happening for decades, especially since Snowden revelations of data hoarding by the 5 eyes, to recent end-to-end encryption bans in messengers. What you think is "right" is not universal across the world.
- kevingadd 5y ago
  This is not an argument of right or wrong, it's purely that they make statements about their priorities and values, like "privacy", but local laws and regulations actually take priority over their values. China's laws are China's laws, but the fact is that there seems to be no value Apple will not sacrifice in order to turn a profit. Which is capitalism, I suppose. They want that money because their shareholders want that money. That's how it goes.