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I’m not sure what your point is. Case details are fuzzy right now, but wasn’t Microsoft accused of anti competition practices. Things like blocking browsers or

I’m not sure what your point is. Case details are fuzzy right now, but wasn’t Microsoft accused of anti competition practices. Things like blocking browsers or apps that competed with their apps. They had a solid lock on the desktop operating system and were actively hurting competition Apple is not competing against Epic games here. They aren’t blocking them to force users to buy their Apple version of whatever. And the Epic games can run on tons of popular platforms. This is really just about payment transactions? So I don’t see a comparison in any way with the facts of the Microsoft case. Other than two big companies asserting greedy rules on their platform. Is that enough for anti-trust? I can’t argue that case in a post

bagacrap 5y ago
Apple does compete against and block other apps quite regularly. You can't change your default browser, heck you can't even install a different web rendering engine from the one they provide (which is another way of forcing app distribution to go through the web store since other browser vendors can't push the web forward on iOS). The crux of the Epic case is that there's no alternative to the app store. If there were an alternative to the app store, Epic would not be subject to Apple's capricious whims or 30% tax. So, yes, Apple is blocking competition with their services on their platform.
- codefreakxff 5y ago
  I see. So you are expanding the scope from Epic complaining about fees to _everything_. You make good arguments. Just to play devils advocate, PlayStation and XBox are also closed platforms and I think they take a cut. Amazon Fire devices take a cut by making you buy their virtual currency. I don’t know if Apple is doing anything different. And the real issue in my mind is Microsoft had a real monopoly. Epic is free to put their games on millions and millions of other devices. They aren’t locked out of “the market” as a whole

bagacrap 5y ago

Apple does compete against and block other apps quite regularly. You can't change your default browser, heck you can't even install a different web rendering engine from the one they provide (which is another way of forcing app distribution to go through the web store since other browser vendors can't push the web forward on iOS). The crux of the Epic case is that there's no alternative to the app store. If there were an alternative to the app store, Epic would not be subject to Apple's capricious whims or 30% tax. So, yes, Apple is blocking competition with their services on their platform.

codefreakxff 5y ago
I see. So you are expanding the scope from Epic complaining about fees to _everything_. You make good arguments. Just to play devils advocate, PlayStation and XBox are also closed platforms and I think they take a cut. Amazon Fire devices take a cut by making you buy their virtual currency. I don’t know if Apple is doing anything different. And the real issue in my mind is Microsoft had a real monopoly. Epic is free to put their games on millions and millions of other devices. They aren’t locked out of “the market” as a whole