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Can I gripe about the spelling "nonnative" rather than "non-native"? It the former spelling it looks like it's said all at once, like the word "normative". Prob

by Y_Y 5y ago

Can I gripe about the spelling "nonnative" rather than "non-native"? It the former spelling it looks like it's said all at once, like the word "normative". Probably it's in common use and there are other similar cases we've assimilated, but I don't have to like it.

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BlameKaneda 5y ago
When I saw the title I pronounced it as "NON-nah-tiv" (like "normative"), and didn't realize it was non-native until your comment.
phillc73 5y ago
Lack of hyphen use drives me nuts. "Cooperation" is a prime example. Without the hyphen, my internal monologue pronounces the word like "chicken coop"[1]. Whereas, "Co-Operation" makes pronunciation much clearer. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_coop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_coop
- cafard 5y ago
  Doesn't the New Yorker still hold the line, and print it with a dieresis? On the other hand, I knew a women who belonged to a food cooperative, and referred to it as the "coop", pronouncing it as if it were a chicken coop.
  - Y_Y 5y ago
    I think I would be satisfied with the New Yorker-style: "nonn̈ative". That's a neat solution, thanks! (Please address complaints about putting a trema over an 'n' to Spın̈al Tap.)
livre 5y ago
I don't know about "non-native" but words tend to lose the hyphen over time when their usage becomes more common. A recent example is e-mail, old texts contain the hyphen but more recent books and articles will likely omit it. It doesn't stop just there though, even the word tomorrow used to be hyphenated, you can find it as to-morrow in the book "The adventures of three Englishmen and three Russians in Southern Africa." To-day and to-night too https://episystechpubs.com/2020/05/19/editors-corner-to-day-to-morrow-to-hyphens/ https://episystechpubs.com/2020/05/19/editors-corner-to-day-...
- fomine3 5y ago
  For HN: https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/email.html https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/email.html
projektfu 5y ago
Usually publishing organizations have house rules and the copy hews to these rules. NPR uses the spellings in Webster’s New World College Dictionary Fifth Edition, and then has a few rules of their own. A more algorithmic rule is found in APA style: https://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2016/10/hyphenation-station-the-hyphenation-of-prefixes-in-apa-style.html https://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2016/10/hyphenation-stati... Edit: NPR also uses the Associated Press Stylebook and related resources.

by Y_Y 5y ago

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BlameKaneda 5y ago

When I saw the title I pronounced it as "NON-nah-tiv" (like "normative"), and didn't realize it was non-native until your comment.

phillc73 5y ago

Lack of hyphen use drives me nuts. "Cooperation" is a prime example. Without the hyphen, my internal monologue pronounces the word like "chicken coop"[1]. Whereas, "Co-Operation" makes pronunciation much clearer. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_coop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_coop

cafard 5y ago
Doesn't the New Yorker still hold the line, and print it with a dieresis? On the other hand, I knew a women who belonged to a food cooperative, and referred to it as the "coop", pronouncing it as if it were a chicken coop.
- Y_Y 5y ago
  I think I would be satisfied with the New Yorker-style: "nonn̈ative". That's a neat solution, thanks! (Please address complaints about putting a trema over an 'n' to Spın̈al Tap.)

livre 5y ago

I don't know about "non-native" but words tend to lose the hyphen over time when their usage becomes more common. A recent example is e-mail, old texts contain the hyphen but more recent books and articles will likely omit it. It doesn't stop just there though, even the word tomorrow used to be hyphenated, you can find it as to-morrow in the book "The adventures of three Englishmen and three Russians in Southern Africa." To-day and to-night too https://episystechpubs.com/2020/05/19/editors-corner-to-day-to-morrow-to-hyphens/ https://episystechpubs.com/2020/05/19/editors-corner-to-day-...

fomine3 5y ago
For HN: https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/email.html https://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/email.html

projektfu 5y ago

Usually publishing organizations have house rules and the copy hews to these rules. NPR uses the spellings in Webster’s New World College Dictionary Fifth Edition, and then has a few rules of their own. A more algorithmic rule is found in APA style: https://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2016/10/hyphenation-station-the-hyphenation-of-prefixes-in-apa-style.html https://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2016/10/hyphenation-stati... Edit: NPR also uses the Associated Press Stylebook and related resources.