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>I've worked at precisely 0 companies in my time that have offered career opportunities that offer the kind of incentive that I would need to go all in and give

>I've worked at precisely 0 companies in my time that have offered career opportunities that offer the kind of incentive that I would need to go all in and give a job all my attention. You miss all the shots you don't take. I tend to put effort into my jobs and I've gotten very large promotions or bonuses multiple times now at jobs. Other driven people I know at both large tech companies and startups have had similar experiences.

plutonorm 5y ago
Then you have been very lucky or have been working in a different environment to me.
- marcinzm 5y ago
  In my experience it's a self full-filling prophecy. If you don't come off as driven then companies that want and reward driven individuals won't hire you. That also extend to networking where previous co-workers won't recommend you for companies that look for and reward driven individuals. Moreover you won't know how to filter for companies that do want and reward driven individuals.
  - plutonorm 5y ago
    No. I was extremely driven for the first half of my career.
    - marcinzm 5y ago
      Maybe you got unlucky. Your original post did mention "freedom from the quarterly demand for metrics" which I don't see as driven from a company perspective. Companies and teams have complex sets of overlapping goals and generally you want to align what you do with those goals. Many of those goals are disjointed from what one would consider necessary for company success. If your boss wants quarterly metrics to go up for their own promotion then you're not going to get promoted by not making those metrics go up.
      - plutonorm 5y ago
        You're not going to get promoted anyway. No one hires from inside the company, not in the uk anyway.
burnished 5y ago
Anecdata, but of the people I know most report that significant promotions only come from job hopping, never from staying in one place. I'm glad that this hasn't been true for you, but based on hearing many stories that are unlike yours and very few that are like yours, I think your case is unusual. Hard to phrase 'you got lucky' in a way that doesn't imply it was just luck or that you didn't work hard (and that the hard work was a necessary step).

plutonorm 5y ago

Then you have been very lucky or have been working in a different environment to me.

marcinzm 5y ago
In my experience it's a self full-filling prophecy. If you don't come off as driven then companies that want and reward driven individuals won't hire you. That also extend to networking where previous co-workers won't recommend you for companies that look for and reward driven individuals. Moreover you won't know how to filter for companies that do want and reward driven individuals.
- plutonorm 5y ago
  No. I was extremely driven for the first half of my career.
  - marcinzm 5y ago
    Maybe you got unlucky. Your original post did mention "freedom from the quarterly demand for metrics" which I don't see as driven from a company perspective. Companies and teams have complex sets of overlapping goals and generally you want to align what you do with those goals. Many of those goals are disjointed from what one would consider necessary for company success. If your boss wants quarterly metrics to go up for their own promotion then you're not going to get promoted by not making those metrics go up.
    - plutonorm 5y ago
      You're not going to get promoted anyway. No one hires from inside the company, not in the uk anyway.

burnished 5y ago

Anecdata, but of the people I know most report that significant promotions only come from job hopping, never from staying in one place. I'm glad that this hasn't been true for you, but based on hearing many stories that are unlike yours and very few that are like yours, I think your case is unusual. Hard to phrase 'you got lucky' in a way that doesn't imply it was just luck or that you didn't work hard (and that the hard work was a necessary step).