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Looks like roughly 130kwh battery for 230 miles and 180kwh for 300 miles. Large battery is 1800lbs, about twice the size and weight of a Model 3 battery. Towin

Looks like roughly 130kwh battery for 230 miles and 180kwh for 300 miles. Large battery is 1800lbs, about twice the size and weight of a Model 3 battery. Towing range is always a problem with BEV's, to get good range they they usually focus on aerodynamics and rolling resistance which towing completely destroys. Estimates are it will be under 100 miles range towing its maximum of 10,000lbs with the big battery. Starting at $40k its easy to see how fast battery prices are falling, being a large part of the cost, it feels a lot like how quickly solar panel prices fell. Main issue is still energy density, both size and weight, which is going up albeit more slowly than cost is going down and it's being somewhat setback by everyone trying to move away from cobalt. Other interesting features, all models dual motor 4WD, independent rear suspension with locker, built in scale to measure payload and tongue wieght, 9.6kw of inverter power for running AC loads off battery, optional 240v home charger that can also feed power back to a sub panel with auto switchover to act as power backup.

frayesto 5y ago
I think that 1800lbs is actually the weight capacity of the truck if I'm reading the article correctly. I'm trying to find the mass of the battery to compare the energy density to the Tesla battery packs
- SigmundA 5y ago
  "The batteries alone weigh about 1,800 pounds, Ford officials told President Joe Biden during a tour of the Rouge Complex in Dearborn, Michigan, where the truck will be assembled." https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-electric-first-look-review/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-el... The cargo capacity also happens to be 1800 lbs with the large battery and 2000 lbs with the smaller battery. They mentioned using less cobalt so it may not be as energy dense as top of the line NMC cells. The lithium iron Tesla packs are 20% less dense than the cobalt ones.
theluketaylor 5y ago
The feature list is fantastic, especially since Ford leaned into the EV-ness with powering the home and so many outlets in the bed and frunk. They came so close to nailing it, but the charge curve is simply not acceptable. 41 minutes for 15-80% is way, way too long. Hyundai Ionic 5 is the same starting price and is close to 20 minutes. The F-150 has a much bigger battery, but that should also mean it can maintain the a high charge rate for longer before tapering. Ford not using 800V is going to come back to haunt them.
- SigmundA 5y ago
  800v adds some complications, if the pack is 800v you need a boost converter to charge from 400v or the pack needs to dynamically reconfigure with contactors or something. On the Porsche Taycan which has an 800v battery you have to pay extra for full 150kw charging on 400v because of the voltage booster cost, the standard booster only allows 50kw and there is some loss in the conversion you will pay for. Same issues if you go the other way and have a 400v battery with 800v charging except buck vs boost. 800v chargers can't be fed directly by 480vac which adds complexity and cost so there are very few at this time I believe, most chargers will be 400v and limited to 150kw anyway. 800v is probably the future but its kinda chicken and egg right now, I see why they went 400v.
  - thatfrenchguy 5y ago
    All ElectrifyAmerica chargers in the US are 800v though, and they're basically 95% of the non-Tesla market these days.
    - SigmundA 5y ago
      Are you sure? They clearly state not all are 350kw but they seem to obfuscate how many are, it would be nice to know, they should have a map filter specifically for it: https://www.electrifyamerica.com/how-ev-charging-works/ https://www.electrifyamerica.com/how-ev-charging-works/ "Electrify America stations have CCS chargers with varying speeds, ranging from 50kW up to 350kW. " "Our 50kW to 350kW chargers will be available at charging stations near highways, and 50kW to 150kW chargers will be available in metropolitan areas." Anyone know how many 350kw chargers they actually have deployed? Are the lower power ones still 800v capable?

frayesto 5y ago

I think that 1800lbs is actually the weight capacity of the truck if I'm reading the article correctly. I'm trying to find the mass of the battery to compare the energy density to the Tesla battery packs

SigmundA 5y ago
"The batteries alone weigh about 1,800 pounds, Ford officials told President Joe Biden during a tour of the Rouge Complex in Dearborn, Michigan, where the truck will be assembled." https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-electric-first-look-review/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-el... The cargo capacity also happens to be 1800 lbs with the large battery and 2000 lbs with the smaller battery. They mentioned using less cobalt so it may not be as energy dense as top of the line NMC cells. The lithium iron Tesla packs are 20% less dense than the cobalt ones.

theluketaylor 5y ago

The feature list is fantastic, especially since Ford leaned into the EV-ness with powering the home and so many outlets in the bed and frunk. They came so close to nailing it, but the charge curve is simply not acceptable. 41 minutes for 15-80% is way, way too long. Hyundai Ionic 5 is the same starting price and is close to 20 minutes. The F-150 has a much bigger battery, but that should also mean it can maintain the a high charge rate for longer before tapering. Ford not using 800V is going to come back to haunt them.

SigmundA 5y ago
800v adds some complications, if the pack is 800v you need a boost converter to charge from 400v or the pack needs to dynamically reconfigure with contactors or something. On the Porsche Taycan which has an 800v battery you have to pay extra for full 150kw charging on 400v because of the voltage booster cost, the standard booster only allows 50kw and there is some loss in the conversion you will pay for. Same issues if you go the other way and have a 400v battery with 800v charging except buck vs boost. 800v chargers can't be fed directly by 480vac which adds complexity and cost so there are very few at this time I believe, most chargers will be 400v and limited to 150kw anyway. 800v is probably the future but its kinda chicken and egg right now, I see why they went 400v.
- thatfrenchguy 5y ago
  All ElectrifyAmerica chargers in the US are 800v though, and they're basically 95% of the non-Tesla market these days.
  - SigmundA 5y ago
    Are you sure? They clearly state not all are 350kw but they seem to obfuscate how many are, it would be nice to know, they should have a map filter specifically for it: https://www.electrifyamerica.com/how-ev-charging-works/ https://www.electrifyamerica.com/how-ev-charging-works/ "Electrify America stations have CCS chargers with varying speeds, ranging from 50kW up to 350kW. " "Our 50kW to 350kW chargers will be available at charging stations near highways, and 50kW to 150kW chargers will be available in metropolitan areas." Anyone know how many 350kw chargers they actually have deployed? Are the lower power ones still 800v capable?