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The reason we ended up with a Tesla, instead of a Kona electric, or any other EV, is the charging network. Where do you charge this thing and how long does it t

The reason we ended up with a Tesla, instead of a Kona electric, or any other EV, is the charging network. Where do you charge this thing and how long does it take? “You can only charge at home” doesn’t work for everyone. Maybe it does for this market though?

aynyc 5y ago
With the amount of GOOD EV coming to market, I think a lot of places (gas stations, etc) can quickly pivot to support charging stations, assuming incentives align with them. It's naturally for a lot of places with free parking (such as strip malls) to rent out the parking spaces to charging providers for extra cash. Just like cell towers.
- mint2 5y ago
  I don’t think gas stations are set up for this. Who wants to spend 25 minutes hanging out in a gas station convenience store? Cafes or any other place to relax for 25 minutes seems the fuel station of the future.
  - b3morales 5y ago
    I would assume gas stations will start adding waiting room space, like you see in tire shops, car washes, etc. Of course they might do even better to add a more coffee shop kind of thing, so they can also sell you a muffin or something while you wait.
  - sf_rob 5y ago
    There's already a shift to customer experience oriented gas stations on road trip routes. I would happily spend a half hour at a Sheetz, Buckees, Wawa, etc. I'd prefer a proper restaurant but there's room for both.
  - aynyc 5y ago
    With EV charging stations, you don't need the expensive environmental cost of having gasoline and cost of operations. You can lease out a few parking spaces in your business (cafe, grocery, bookstores) parking lots and take a part of the profits of charging stations.
    - clairity 5y ago
      yup, i’ve seen a couple grocery stores near me installing electrify america stations, which makes a ton of sense, since most shoppers spend 30+ minutes per trip at a grocery store.
  - freeflight 5y ago
    In Europe plenty of larger rest-stops along highways are set up for this already, due to servicing truckers and other long-distance travelers.
  - mcot2 5y ago
    Wawa (gas station chain) has already opened the first store with only charging and no gas in Northern VA. It’s basically a mini-mart with Tesla Superchargers.
foobiter 5y ago
I have an EV and charging at home (even at level 1) is totally fine for me 99% of the time… when it’s not, I’m not far from a charger… the network was already larger than I expected when I researched my purchase and it’s getting bigger all the time (https://www.plugshare.com/ https://www.plugshare.com/)
clouddrover 5y ago
You can charge it at 4,375 CCS charging locations in North America: https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html New CCS charging sites are being added every week. Electrify America and Petro-Canada both have transcontinental CCS charging networks.
chiph 5y ago
Ford has an agreement with Electrify America (built by VW using diesel-gate penalty funds [0]). By most accounts I've read, using it is relatively frictionless with the FordPass app [1]. The annoying part seems to be finding a station that has the right plug. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/10/vws-2-billion-penalty-for-diesel-scam-builds-ev-charging-network-across-us.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/10/vws-2-billion-penalty-for-di... [1] https://owner.ford.com/fordpass/fordpass-electric-vehicle-features-overview.html https://owner.ford.com/fordpass/fordpass-electric-vehicle-fe...
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  Frictionless... is a bit of a stretch here. https://youtu.be/hA_B7qPyUDA?t=1131 https://youtu.be/hA_B7qPyUDA?t=1131
canadianfella 5y ago
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/can-non-tesla-electric-vehicles-charge-tesla-charging-stations/ https://www.motorbiscuit.com/can-non-tesla-electric-vehicles...

aynyc 5y ago

With the amount of GOOD EV coming to market, I think a lot of places (gas stations, etc) can quickly pivot to support charging stations, assuming incentives align with them. It's naturally for a lot of places with free parking (such as strip malls) to rent out the parking spaces to charging providers for extra cash. Just like cell towers.

mint2 5y ago
I don’t think gas stations are set up for this. Who wants to spend 25 minutes hanging out in a gas station convenience store? Cafes or any other place to relax for 25 minutes seems the fuel station of the future.
- b3morales 5y ago
  I would assume gas stations will start adding waiting room space, like you see in tire shops, car washes, etc. Of course they might do even better to add a more coffee shop kind of thing, so they can also sell you a muffin or something while you wait.
- sf_rob 5y ago
  There's already a shift to customer experience oriented gas stations on road trip routes. I would happily spend a half hour at a Sheetz, Buckees, Wawa, etc. I'd prefer a proper restaurant but there's room for both.
- aynyc 5y ago
  With EV charging stations, you don't need the expensive environmental cost of having gasoline and cost of operations. You can lease out a few parking spaces in your business (cafe, grocery, bookstores) parking lots and take a part of the profits of charging stations.
  - clairity 5y ago
    yup, i’ve seen a couple grocery stores near me installing electrify america stations, which makes a ton of sense, since most shoppers spend 30+ minutes per trip at a grocery store.
- freeflight 5y ago
  In Europe plenty of larger rest-stops along highways are set up for this already, due to servicing truckers and other long-distance travelers.
- mcot2 5y ago
  Wawa (gas station chain) has already opened the first store with only charging and no gas in Northern VA. It’s basically a mini-mart with Tesla Superchargers.

foobiter 5y ago

I have an EV and charging at home (even at level 1) is totally fine for me 99% of the time… when it’s not, I’m not far from a charger… the network was already larger than I expected when I researched my purchase and it’s getting bigger all the time (https://www.plugshare.com/ https://www.plugshare.com/)

clouddrover 5y ago

You can charge it at 4,375 CCS charging locations in North America: https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html New CCS charging sites are being added every week. Electrify America and Petro-Canada both have transcontinental CCS charging networks.

chiph 5y ago

Ford has an agreement with Electrify America (built by VW using diesel-gate penalty funds [0]). By most accounts I've read, using it is relatively frictionless with the FordPass app [1]. The annoying part seems to be finding a station that has the right plug. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/10/vws-2-billion-penalty-for-diesel-scam-builds-ev-charging-network-across-us.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/10/vws-2-billion-penalty-for-di... [1] https://owner.ford.com/fordpass/fordpass-electric-vehicle-features-overview.html https://owner.ford.com/fordpass/fordpass-electric-vehicle-fe...

908B64B197 5y ago
Frictionless... is a bit of a stretch here. https://youtu.be/hA_B7qPyUDA?t=1131 https://youtu.be/hA_B7qPyUDA?t=1131

canadianfella 5y ago

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/can-non-tesla-electric-vehicles-charge-tesla-charging-stations/ https://www.motorbiscuit.com/can-non-tesla-electric-vehicles...