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loopz 5y ago
Just like WHO can't point to evidence before it is established, scientists can't conclude prematurely. It's kind of like keeping an open mind. Then it's not about which tribe you belong to.
HoverSausage 5y ago
Maybe I've misunderstood, I'm not a climatologist, but I thought climate change means certain events become more likely but it's still impossible to say if climate change caused any single individual event. For example, if climate change makes it 7% more likely to rain somewhere, it doesn't mean every rainy day is climate change. You can only say climate change made it 7% more rainy on average. So climate change increases the chance of phenomena like "World's largest iceberg", but you can't say for sure if this iceberg in particular was generated by climate change. I think that's all the article was trying to say with "could"
- o___ 5y ago
  Still, it's a bad editorial move because the average reader doesn't understand the nuance. Worse, some may even read that and conclude that global warming still may not even be real...
- s1artibartfast 5y ago
  There is no way to change the phenomenon of "World's largest iceberg", because the world will always have a largest Iceberg. The largest iceberg ever was B-15 in 2000. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceberg_B-15 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceberg_B-15
  - datameta 5y ago
    Wow, apparently in 2020 we were still tracking some pieces of it.
- perl4ever 5y ago
  >you can't say for sure if this iceberg in particular was generated by climate change Can you be sure that any iceberg was generated by climate change? Maybe, for the sake of argument, 7% of every iceberg is?
noiv 5y ago
Well, yes, but this iceberg is located in Antarctica. Basically the opposite side of the Planet.
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exporectomy 5y ago
Antarctica has always been losing its ice shelves like this - and accumulating new ice inland to replace them. You can't really pin one event on climate change, only general statistics like rate of ice loss or size of remaining ice shelves.
seesawtron 5y ago
Comment removed? I don't suppose HN is removing comments now is it?
- catillac 5y ago
  This comment was fairly asinine, I think they self-censored after realizing it was such.
- jsight 5y ago
  I think the comment author removed his own comment.

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Just like WHO can't point to evidence before it is established, scientists can't conclude prematurely. It's kind of like keeping an open mind. Then it's not about which tribe you belong to.

HoverSausage 5y ago

Maybe I've misunderstood, I'm not a climatologist, but I thought climate change means certain events become more likely but it's still impossible to say if climate change caused any single individual event. For example, if climate change makes it 7% more likely to rain somewhere, it doesn't mean every rainy day is climate change. You can only say climate change made it 7% more rainy on average. So climate change increases the chance of phenomena like "World's largest iceberg", but you can't say for sure if this iceberg in particular was generated by climate change. I think that's all the article was trying to say with "could"

o___ 5y ago
Still, it's a bad editorial move because the average reader doesn't understand the nuance. Worse, some may even read that and conclude that global warming still may not even be real...
s1artibartfast 5y ago
There is no way to change the phenomenon of "World's largest iceberg", because the world will always have a largest Iceberg. The largest iceberg ever was B-15 in 2000. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceberg_B-15 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceberg_B-15
- datameta 5y ago
  Wow, apparently in 2020 we were still tracking some pieces of it.
perl4ever 5y ago
>you can't say for sure if this iceberg in particular was generated by climate change Can you be sure that any iceberg was generated by climate change? Maybe, for the sake of argument, 7% of every iceberg is?

noiv 5y ago

Well, yes, but this iceberg is located in Antarctica. Basically the opposite side of the Planet.

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exporectomy 5y ago

Antarctica has always been losing its ice shelves like this - and accumulating new ice inland to replace them. You can't really pin one event on climate change, only general statistics like rate of ice loss or size of remaining ice shelves.

seesawtron 5y ago

Comment removed? I don't suppose HN is removing comments now is it?

catillac 5y ago
This comment was fairly asinine, I think they self-censored after realizing it was such.
jsight 5y ago
I think the comment author removed his own comment.