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Agreed. Once you're used to arrow keys on the homerow you never want to go back to dedicated arrow keys.

• sleepybrett 5y ago
  Disagree strongly. I spent about 6 months traveling with a 60% in my bag (1st gen touchbar keyboard is the absolute worst). I had it configured fairly typically (split spacebar but no arrow cluster). I had arrow clusters mapped to layer+wasd and layer+ijkl. It never became comfortable. My travel keyboard got upgraded to a 65%. Still use a kinesis advantage at home (it's just too big to pack for short trips). I've built a dactyl, I may start traveling with it instead (if I every have to go back to travel).
  • alpaca128 5y ago
    To be fair I'm a Vim user and so hjkl feels natural to me. I just also have to hold my right thumb down. Not sure how others do it, but on standard keyboards I've always struggled with accurately moving my hands; for example one journey to the arrow cluster and back meant my right hand usually landed on the wrong row or column if I wasn't looking. All issues of that kind just disappeared when I started using a keyboard actually designed for human hands and reduced hand/wrist movement. But the reason custom keyboards exist is exactly because different people want different things, and that's fine.
    • rgoulter 5y ago
      > Not sure how others do it, but on standard keyboards I've always struggled with accurately moving my hands To the best of my memory, I just accurately moved my hands even as far as the \| or =/+ keys. Using arrow keys would've required quickly feeling for the arrow-key cluster before using it. Now that I'm on a split keyboard with a reduced number of keys, I think people vastly discount how difficult/awkward it is to accurately use the standard keyboard layout for programming without looking at the keyboard.
    • fierro 5y ago
      what keyboard do you use? And do you feel it's optimized for Vim?