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2022 Ford F-150 Lightning is a brawny, battery-powered bargain

22 points by rawgabbit 5y ago

zackify 5y ago
It does sound good… but remember software quality and charging networks matter for most people. Also, how will the range actually be when you tow something. Curious how this will pan out
- clouddrover 5y ago
  > charging networks matter for most people Yes, best to go with the common charging standard so you can easily use (almost) all charging networks with no adapters. The F-150 is CCS so it's got that covered. > Also, how will the range actually be when you tow something. Probably poor. Engineering Explained did a good video on EV towing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4W-P5aCWJs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4W-P5aCWJs
- deep-root 5y ago
  Would be great to get some controlled estimates. There are many anecdotal tests, YouTube videos, etc. Here[1] is a typical example where a Tesla Model Y tows two bikes and trailer (totaling 1000lbs/450kg) and the range drops to around 40% of normal. [1] https://www.carscoops.com/2021/02/you-can-tow-with-a-tesla-model-y-but-at-what-cost/ https://www.carscoops.com/2021/02/you-can-tow-with-a-tesla-m...
  - jonas21 5y ago
    I'm guessing that has more to do with the aerodynamics of the trailer than its weight. Electric vehicles are much more efficient at getting power to the wheels than gas-powered ones [1], so aerodynamic drag plays a larger factor in range. The Model Y has a super-low drag coefficient of 0.23, and I wouldn't be surprised if the trailer adds considerably more drag than the car itself. [1] https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/atv-ev.shtml https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/atv-ev.shtml
tomcam 5y ago
Don’t bother if you’re looking for journalism. They just made all that shit up based on the press releases, with absolutely no evidence of weather in the yard, including the pricing, will be anywhere close to what they claim. The vehicle won’t be available for at least a year and it’s full of “will“ and “could” and “promises”. And the vast majority of the features they discuss are of course upgrades which will bring it far past the so-called bargain price, as in the $70-$90k range. I felt dirty when I finished the article.
- babesh 5y ago
  It reads exactly like a paid article. The higher end rags are more subtle than this nowadays. They inject the narrative in passing, offhand, as if it was a given. Like a pill shoved in the middle of a treat. This marks CNET as a low end rag. On the other hand, the Tesla oriented sites are often like this on Tesla’s side. The difference is that they aren’t institution sanctioned unlike the above article. I hate that we are no better culturally than the shit periods of history that I read about. No better than the ancient Greeks and their wars between classes. No better than the yellow journalism period when we created fake news to start wars.
- tomcam 5y ago
  “weather in the yard” was meant to read “whether anything in the article“. Sorry, recovering from an operation this morning and did not notice Siri’s transcription error.
kwonkicker 5y ago
Nice ad.
MoiraSmith 5y ago
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22 points by rawgabbit 5y ago

It does sound good… but remember software quality and charging networks matter for most people. Also, how will the range actually be when you tow something. Curious how this will pan out

clouddrover 5y ago
> charging networks matter for most people Yes, best to go with the common charging standard so you can easily use (almost) all charging networks with no adapters. The F-150 is CCS so it's got that covered. > Also, how will the range actually be when you tow something. Probably poor. Engineering Explained did a good video on EV towing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4W-P5aCWJs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4W-P5aCWJs
deep-root 5y ago
Would be great to get some controlled estimates. There are many anecdotal tests, YouTube videos, etc. Here[1] is a typical example where a Tesla Model Y tows two bikes and trailer (totaling 1000lbs/450kg) and the range drops to around 40% of normal. [1] https://www.carscoops.com/2021/02/you-can-tow-with-a-tesla-model-y-but-at-what-cost/ https://www.carscoops.com/2021/02/you-can-tow-with-a-tesla-m...
- jonas21 5y ago
  I'm guessing that has more to do with the aerodynamics of the trailer than its weight. Electric vehicles are much more efficient at getting power to the wheels than gas-powered ones [1], so aerodynamic drag plays a larger factor in range. The Model Y has a super-low drag coefficient of 0.23, and I wouldn't be surprised if the trailer adds considerably more drag than the car itself. [1] https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/atv-ev.shtml https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/atv-ev.shtml

tomcam 5y ago

Don’t bother if you’re looking for journalism. They just made all that shit up based on the press releases, with absolutely no evidence of weather in the yard, including the pricing, will be anywhere close to what they claim. The vehicle won’t be available for at least a year and it’s full of “will“ and “could” and “promises”. And the vast majority of the features they discuss are of course upgrades which will bring it far past the so-called bargain price, as in the $70-$90k range. I felt dirty when I finished the article.

babesh 5y ago
It reads exactly like a paid article. The higher end rags are more subtle than this nowadays. They inject the narrative in passing, offhand, as if it was a given. Like a pill shoved in the middle of a treat. This marks CNET as a low end rag. On the other hand, the Tesla oriented sites are often like this on Tesla’s side. The difference is that they aren’t institution sanctioned unlike the above article. I hate that we are no better culturally than the shit periods of history that I read about. No better than the ancient Greeks and their wars between classes. No better than the yellow journalism period when we created fake news to start wars.
tomcam 5y ago
“weather in the yard” was meant to read “whether anything in the article“. Sorry, recovering from an operation this morning and did not notice Siri’s transcription error.

kwonkicker 5y ago

Nice ad.

MoiraSmith 5y ago

Shouldn't be too surprised. The high-quality <a href="https://www.zeusbtc.com/Integrated-Circuit/IC-Details.asp?ID=460">TMS320C6713BPYP200</a> https://www.zeusbtc.com/Integrated-Circuit/IC-Details.asp?ID... digital signal processor runs at a frequency of 225 MHz, eight 32-bit instructions/cycles, and enhances the direct memory access controller.