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> This isn’t unique to Walgreens this is affecting independent convenience stores and markets as well and it’s really disheartening to witness on a nearly day t

by et-al 5y ago

> This isn’t unique to Walgreens this is affecting independent convenience stores and markets as well and it’s really disheartening to witness on a nearly day to day basis. This needs to be repeated. Some left leaning folks like to say "oh it's Walgreens, they're a corporation and the losses are immaterial." When this happens to independent mom & pop shops, they close up much sooner.

dahfizz 5y ago
The fact that anyone can see rampant crime in their community and think "that's okay, the victims of this crime are people I don't like anyway" and just ignore it is insane to me.
- Pet_Ant 5y ago
  I think they see it as less crime as asset redistribution. The wealth that they feel ought to have been transferred by taxes is being taken more directly in the sense of Anatole France's "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor ... to steal bread." Nb: I am explaining a viewpoint not taking a position myself
- tarsinge 5y ago
  I visited SF a few years ago on a road trip and was very shocked by all the smashed car windows and feared for my car. This third world vibe intertwined with pricey restaurants was unreal. Added on top of people screaming in the streets and a public freakout (of rich people) in a room in my hotel with police coming in the middle of the night, I ended up really scared of the craziness of that city.
  - danielrpa 5y ago
    An extreme contrast between poor and rich is common in third world countries. In many poor nations, you can find high end places for the ultra-wealthy not too far from slums. What I'm saying is that you're not seeing "third world intertwined with pricey restaurants", you're simply getting the full third world vibe in SF.
    - roguas 5y ago
      This. I was in Pune, 5* hotel district. One foot out of the district and boom you are metal scrap district. I think its probably understandable that poorest allocate close to the richest - better left overs, hand wave charity etc. (Charity is good, but just giving money to drug addicts is not really working out, just to clarify distinction) It was really odd experience, but I was the only one from the hotel traversing the city map on foot. In the night a lot of folks without "metal scrap real estate" would spawn at the edges of the district, put a card board and sleep. They would sleep there since its safe and nobody had heart to force them out in the night. Daytime different story -> go be someones else problem. SF was not this crazy, but similar vibes.
- CodeGlitch 5y ago
  As a Brit I'm always shocked when visiting America and the high levels of crime and desperate people. I'm talking clearly mentally ill people in wheelchairs on street corners. No-go zones (for white people). Open selling of drugs near tourist hotspots with young families nearby. It's like a weird mix of a wealthy 1st world country with all the problems of a 3rd world one. Here in the UK we clearly have our own problems, but stuff like this just wouldn't be tolerated.
  - ibrahimsow1 5y ago
    Or no go towns for black people. I feel like america demonstrates the worst and best society has to offer.
    - CodeGlitch 5y ago
      > Or no go towns for black people. Yes of course - but I'm white so was just describing my experience.
  - mbrodersen 5y ago
    Agree. Every time I visited the US it was worse. The desperation, the trash, the roads full of holes, the broken down cars, clearly crazy people walking the streets. Mixed with little islands of smug self-important doing-well people who clearly didn’t care about the misery surrounding their little island. We are no longer planning to visit the US. It is too depressing.
  - QuesnayJr 5y ago
    One thing that surprised me last time I was in London were the signs everywhere warning about people in bikes snatching your phone.
bydo 5y ago
Some "left leaning folks"? Are you legitimately attempting to politicize theft?
- rangoon626 5y ago
  Well it doesn’t seem to be flyover rednecks voting for politicians who support this kind of behavior, so it does lead to some conclusions.
- esyir 5y ago
  Unfortunately, it already is. See the looting =reparations that was common on social media during the blm riots. Similarly, the "fuck the corporations, it's just property" crowd that was really prevalent on reddit then. Those are both solidly left, just as qanon is solidly right. Amp links cause I'm on mobile https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/reparations-black-lives-matter-holds-164059290.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/reparati...
  - Nicksil 5y ago
    https://news.yahoo.com/reparations-black-lives-matter-holds-164059290.html https://news.yahoo.com/reparations-black-lives-matter-holds-...
  - zmalski 5y ago
    I think saying these fringe "political" groups are "solidly left" or "solidly right" really feeds into the hate and divisiveness they are designed to create. They're all either misled and disinformed or misleading and disinforming. They have no place in politics and are largely designed to generate that "us vs them" mentality. These groups are the fringest of the fringe and are far from "solid"
    - esyir 5y ago
      I believe you might be misunderstanding me here. I mean you're not going to find left-aligned people supporting QAnon, while the same applies to BLM reparations talk for the right.
mjorin 5y ago
> Some left leaning folks like to say "oh it's Walgreens, they're a corporation and the losses are immaterial." What a ridiculous strawman argument. If you feel the need to generalize and attack entire groups of people, put a little more effort into it please?
vfulco2 5y ago
the knuckleheads will tell your insurance covers everything as if business is in to lose money guaranteed...
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me_me_me 5y ago
> left leaning folks Are you for real? That is far left thinking, where reason was pushed out by ideology. Not left leaning folks. Its absolutely moronic not going after crime, all it is doing is incentivize people who break it. The stories of current SF sounds like that meme of a dog sipping a tea in a house on fire saying 'this is fine'.
- danielrpa 5y ago
  Left leaning folks will generally not support shoplifting/theft, however many will often qualify with "oh, but at least it's a large corporation, it's not right but they will survive", which is what I think the parent was referring to.
  - me_me_me 5y ago
    Man, two can play this game. >> Right leaning folks will generally not support murder, but will often support killing via 'Right to stand our ground laws'. > Left leaning folks will generally not support shoplifting/theft Seriously have you ever talked to anyone sane who is for shoplifting/theft, left or right, up or down? Its a poor strawman argument. Extremes are not representations, they are minority/extreme views.
- darkhorse22 5y ago
  So, CA has massive and growing wealth inequality that has resisted carceral solutions for over three decades. The prisons are already overflowing, and federal courts have ordered the state to reduce its prison population which requires "soft on crime" policies like this. There's literally no legal alternative except to go on a prison-building spree. Glad you found a stimulating meme reference point though.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    > except to go on a prison-building spree Okay, let's do that instead. I'd way prefer to have more prisons than for theft to be legal.
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kodah 5y ago
> left leaning I don't think it's benefitting us to lump all left-leaning people together. What you're describing is an extremism problem on the left that has largely gone unaddressed or downplayed that is highly agitating, divisive, and nonsensical. As anyone can point out this happened on the right too, and in that time it became fashionable to consolidate all conservatives, but I'd remind you this behavior was absolutely wrong. I encourage all average constituents to push back on extremism in their own parties, very vocally, so that we're less dependent on this cross talk correction.
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by et-al 5y ago

dahfizz 5y ago

The fact that anyone can see rampant crime in their community and think "that's okay, the victims of this crime are people I don't like anyway" and just ignore it is insane to me.

Pet_Ant 5y ago
I think they see it as less crime as asset redistribution. The wealth that they feel ought to have been transferred by taxes is being taken more directly in the sense of Anatole France's "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor ... to steal bread." Nb: I am explaining a viewpoint not taking a position myself
tarsinge 5y ago
I visited SF a few years ago on a road trip and was very shocked by all the smashed car windows and feared for my car. This third world vibe intertwined with pricey restaurants was unreal. Added on top of people screaming in the streets and a public freakout (of rich people) in a room in my hotel with police coming in the middle of the night, I ended up really scared of the craziness of that city.
- danielrpa 5y ago
  An extreme contrast between poor and rich is common in third world countries. In many poor nations, you can find high end places for the ultra-wealthy not too far from slums. What I'm saying is that you're not seeing "third world intertwined with pricey restaurants", you're simply getting the full third world vibe in SF.
  - roguas 5y ago
    This. I was in Pune, 5* hotel district. One foot out of the district and boom you are metal scrap district. I think its probably understandable that poorest allocate close to the richest - better left overs, hand wave charity etc. (Charity is good, but just giving money to drug addicts is not really working out, just to clarify distinction) It was really odd experience, but I was the only one from the hotel traversing the city map on foot. In the night a lot of folks without "metal scrap real estate" would spawn at the edges of the district, put a card board and sleep. They would sleep there since its safe and nobody had heart to force them out in the night. Daytime different story -> go be someones else problem. SF was not this crazy, but similar vibes.
CodeGlitch 5y ago
As a Brit I'm always shocked when visiting America and the high levels of crime and desperate people. I'm talking clearly mentally ill people in wheelchairs on street corners. No-go zones (for white people). Open selling of drugs near tourist hotspots with young families nearby. It's like a weird mix of a wealthy 1st world country with all the problems of a 3rd world one. Here in the UK we clearly have our own problems, but stuff like this just wouldn't be tolerated.
- ibrahimsow1 5y ago
  Or no go towns for black people. I feel like america demonstrates the worst and best society has to offer.
  - CodeGlitch 5y ago
    > Or no go towns for black people. Yes of course - but I'm white so was just describing my experience.
- mbrodersen 5y ago
  Agree. Every time I visited the US it was worse. The desperation, the trash, the roads full of holes, the broken down cars, clearly crazy people walking the streets. Mixed with little islands of smug self-important doing-well people who clearly didn’t care about the misery surrounding their little island. We are no longer planning to visit the US. It is too depressing.
- QuesnayJr 5y ago
  One thing that surprised me last time I was in London were the signs everywhere warning about people in bikes snatching your phone.

bydo 5y ago

Some "left leaning folks"? Are you legitimately attempting to politicize theft?

rangoon626 5y ago
Well it doesn’t seem to be flyover rednecks voting for politicians who support this kind of behavior, so it does lead to some conclusions.
esyir 5y ago
Unfortunately, it already is. See the looting =reparations that was common on social media during the blm riots. Similarly, the "fuck the corporations, it's just property" crowd that was really prevalent on reddit then. Those are both solidly left, just as qanon is solidly right. Amp links cause I'm on mobile https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/reparations-black-lives-matter-holds-164059290.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/reparati...
- Nicksil 5y ago
  https://news.yahoo.com/reparations-black-lives-matter-holds-164059290.html https://news.yahoo.com/reparations-black-lives-matter-holds-...
- zmalski 5y ago
  I think saying these fringe "political" groups are "solidly left" or "solidly right" really feeds into the hate and divisiveness they are designed to create. They're all either misled and disinformed or misleading and disinforming. They have no place in politics and are largely designed to generate that "us vs them" mentality. These groups are the fringest of the fringe and are far from "solid"
  - esyir 5y ago
    I believe you might be misunderstanding me here. I mean you're not going to find left-aligned people supporting QAnon, while the same applies to BLM reparations talk for the right.

mjorin 5y ago

> Some left leaning folks like to say "oh it's Walgreens, they're a corporation and the losses are immaterial." What a ridiculous strawman argument. If you feel the need to generalize and attack entire groups of people, put a little more effort into it please?

vfulco2 5y ago

the knuckleheads will tell your insurance covers everything as if business is in to lose money guaranteed...

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me_me_me 5y ago

> left leaning folks Are you for real? That is far left thinking, where reason was pushed out by ideology. Not left leaning folks. Its absolutely moronic not going after crime, all it is doing is incentivize people who break it. The stories of current SF sounds like that meme of a dog sipping a tea in a house on fire saying 'this is fine'.

danielrpa 5y ago
Left leaning folks will generally not support shoplifting/theft, however many will often qualify with "oh, but at least it's a large corporation, it's not right but they will survive", which is what I think the parent was referring to.
- me_me_me 5y ago
  Man, two can play this game. >> Right leaning folks will generally not support murder, but will often support killing via 'Right to stand our ground laws'. > Left leaning folks will generally not support shoplifting/theft Seriously have you ever talked to anyone sane who is for shoplifting/theft, left or right, up or down? Its a poor strawman argument. Extremes are not representations, they are minority/extreme views.
darkhorse22 5y ago
So, CA has massive and growing wealth inequality that has resisted carceral solutions for over three decades. The prisons are already overflowing, and federal courts have ordered the state to reduce its prison population which requires "soft on crime" policies like this. There's literally no legal alternative except to go on a prison-building spree. Glad you found a stimulating meme reference point though.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  > except to go on a prison-building spree Okay, let's do that instead. I'd way prefer to have more prisons than for theft to be legal.
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kodah 5y ago

> left leaning I don't think it's benefitting us to lump all left-leaning people together. What you're describing is an extremism problem on the left that has largely gone unaddressed or downplayed that is highly agitating, divisive, and nonsensical. As anyone can point out this happened on the right too, and in that time it became fashionable to consolidate all conservatives, but I'd remind you this behavior was absolutely wrong. I encourage all average constituents to push back on extremism in their own parties, very vocally, so that we're less dependent on this cross talk correction.

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