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"Everyone". Obviously not. Having used IRC for 25 years, I'll take excellent SNR over the sort of focus on end user experience you're talking about.

Karrot_Kream 5y ago
> I'll take excellent SNR over the sort of focus on end user experience you're talking about The kind of SNR that causes an attempted takeover? As IRC has depopulated it's been increasingly inhabited by a particular type of person and has a particular culture. That's fine, but ascribing some technical superiority to it because of your cultural preferences doesn't make sense. IRC attracts a certain type of user who persists despite its UX; it's not technologically superior. The rest of us who aren't in that culture go elsewhere, to a network that fulfills our needs. Like Matrix (or even XMPP for some).
- Dracophoenix 5y ago
  >The kind of SNR that causes an attempted takeover? As IRC has depopulated it's been increasingly inhabited by a particular type of person and has a particular culture. If you mean anime subbers, 4channers, and the warez/pirate crowd , they've all moved to Discord or Telegram. The only ones left are the technically inclined folk who adopted the platform at its genesis (i.e. #c, #perl, etc.)
  - Karrot_Kream 5y ago
    No I mean the technically inclined. Adding a layer of gatekeeping just means folks who are okay with that keeping make it across. IRC has a very particular culture.
- metroholografix 5y ago
  You're being disingenuous. IRC has been right at the center of the vast majority of non-enterprise technical communities and especially opensource for the last 25 years. Say what you will about culture but this is a fact and I don't see it changing. Slack and Teams are gimmicks at best. Matrix unusable for me, every single one of my peers and, apparently, the vast majority of said technical communities that keep their center of operations firmly entrenched in IRC.
  - xvilka 5y ago
    We recently switched to use self-hosted Mattermost plus Matterbridge[1] to connect with IRC, Telegram, Discord, etc. There is also an amazing console client - Matterhorn[2]. [1] https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge [2] https://github.com/matterhorn-chat/matterhorn https://github.com/matterhorn-chat/matterhorn
    - sneak 5y ago
      Note that mattermost by default phones home to a spyware analytics service even when you selfhost it. The env vars for disabling it are hidden/undocumented. Copy the diagnostics/securityalert env vars from here, as well as the sed lines: https://github.com/caprover/one-click-apps/blob/master/public/v4/apps/mattermost.yml https://github.com/caprover/one-click-apps/blob/master/publi...
    - it33 5y ago
      Mattermost CEO here, thanks for the share out! We're big fans of Matterbridge and Matterhorn as well!
      - xvilka 5y ago
        I hope the categories that are already available in the Web client will be available in the mobile [1] and Matterhorn [2] clients too. [1] https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost-mobile/issues/5387 https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost-mobile/issues/5387 [2] https://github.com/matterhorn-chat/matterhorn/issues/711 https://github.com/matterhorn-chat/matterhorn/issues/711
  - threeseed 5y ago
    Weird. I contribute to a lot of open source projects. Never once used IRC. Discord, Slack, Gitter but never IRC. And love the idea of Slack being a gimmick.

Karrot_Kream 5y ago

> I'll take excellent SNR over the sort of focus on end user experience you're talking about The kind of SNR that causes an attempted takeover? As IRC has depopulated it's been increasingly inhabited by a particular type of person and has a particular culture. That's fine, but ascribing some technical superiority to it because of your cultural preferences doesn't make sense. IRC attracts a certain type of user who persists despite its UX; it's not technologically superior. The rest of us who aren't in that culture go elsewhere, to a network that fulfills our needs. Like Matrix (or even XMPP for some).

Dracophoenix 5y ago
>The kind of SNR that causes an attempted takeover? As IRC has depopulated it's been increasingly inhabited by a particular type of person and has a particular culture. If you mean anime subbers, 4channers, and the warez/pirate crowd , they've all moved to Discord or Telegram. The only ones left are the technically inclined folk who adopted the platform at its genesis (i.e. #c, #perl, etc.)
- Karrot_Kream 5y ago
  No I mean the technically inclined. Adding a layer of gatekeeping just means folks who are okay with that keeping make it across. IRC has a very particular culture.
metroholografix 5y ago
You're being disingenuous. IRC has been right at the center of the vast majority of non-enterprise technical communities and especially opensource for the last 25 years. Say what you will about culture but this is a fact and I don't see it changing. Slack and Teams are gimmicks at best. Matrix unusable for me, every single one of my peers and, apparently, the vast majority of said technical communities that keep their center of operations firmly entrenched in IRC.
- xvilka 5y ago
  We recently switched to use self-hosted Mattermost plus Matterbridge[1] to connect with IRC, Telegram, Discord, etc. There is also an amazing console client - Matterhorn[2]. [1] https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge [2] https://github.com/matterhorn-chat/matterhorn https://github.com/matterhorn-chat/matterhorn
  - sneak 5y ago
    Note that mattermost by default phones home to a spyware analytics service even when you selfhost it. The env vars for disabling it are hidden/undocumented. Copy the diagnostics/securityalert env vars from here, as well as the sed lines: https://github.com/caprover/one-click-apps/blob/master/public/v4/apps/mattermost.yml https://github.com/caprover/one-click-apps/blob/master/publi...
  - it33 5y ago
    Mattermost CEO here, thanks for the share out! We're big fans of Matterbridge and Matterhorn as well!
    - xvilka 5y ago
      I hope the categories that are already available in the Web client will be available in the mobile [1] and Matterhorn [2] clients too. [1] https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost-mobile/issues/5387 https://github.com/mattermost/mattermost-mobile/issues/5387 [2] https://github.com/matterhorn-chat/matterhorn/issues/711 https://github.com/matterhorn-chat/matterhorn/issues/711
- threeseed 5y ago
  Weird. I contribute to a lot of open source projects. Never once used IRC. Discord, Slack, Gitter but never IRC. And love the idea of Slack being a gimmick.